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I just checked out the Sabertooth specs also, and DevilDriver is right. PCIe 3 and PCIe 2 look no different(slot wise), would a BIOS update add support for PCIe 3?
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What's new in Piledriver? According to the slide, a 10% increase in x86 performance. Version 3.0 of Turbo Core is also on the menu, as are a couple of new instructions. FX Next will reportedly use the same AM3+ socket as the first wave of Bulldozer CPUs, so you should be able to pop it into existing motherboards.
http://www.guru3d.com/news/amd-piledriver-10-percent-faster-than-bulldozer/
Not sure if that is 100% true or not. If that is true than the patch is probably adding support for the architecture and how it processes threads, thus increasing performance. Since its going to be AM3+ that will increase sales, and will probably seal my buy.

I dont know if it will be with bios update or not. I am going to look into it some more. The difference between pcie 2.0 and 3.0 is not that much if you are only comparing gaming (video card performance) but it does make a huge difference if you are using pcie ssds and a even bigger difference if they are in raid.
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I noticed in that link you shared that PileDriver will support 2 x16 PCI-e 3.0 slots. When you think about SB does not support 2 x 16 PCI-e 2.0 slots. I am pretty sure that IB will support PCI-e 3.0 but I dont think it supports two of them. BD supports 2 x 16 PCI-e 2.0 which is better than SB pci-e support. Not that the difference between 2.0 and 3.0 is that much different unless you are using pci-e ssd's. Just thought I would point that out.
I just realized that it says that the amd 990 chipset supports this so does this mean our 990 boards support 2 x 16 pci-e 3.0 slots now? Does anyone have any info on this?
Also wanted to point out that amd (i think) says that the complete patch will increase performance up to 10% in some areas.

Some info in that link is wrong. That article suggests that Trinity will have HD7000. It was already confirmed that Trinity will be using VLIW4. 990FX chipset only support 2x 16x pci-e 2.0. 1090FX will support pci-e 3.0 although I'm not sure if it will be just one or two. Also regarding IB, it will most likely overclock higher than SB since it is a die shrink. Other than that, shouldn't' be much difference. I've been saying this for a while now, but Intel has reached the point of diminishing returns with their current architecture. They probably think they don't need to innovate as much now since they think there is no competition.
Edited by computerparts - 1/9/12 at 3:11pm
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I've been saying this for a while now, but Intel has reached the point of diminishing returns with their current architecture. They probably think they don't need to innovate as much now since they think there is no competition.

That's the truth right there ^

Bulldozer is already better than SB in Multi-threading, people tend to forget the Netburst Pentium 4 architecture. Even though they made the Pentium D on the Netburst architecture is still wasn't very good. I can't wait to see the new patch used in benchmarks and Piledriver in benchmarks.
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Some info in that link is wrong. That article suggests that Trinity will have HD7000. It was already confirmed that Trinity will be using VLIW4. 990FX chipset only support 2x 16x pci-e 2.0. 1090FX will support pci-e 3.0 although I'm not sure if it will be just one or two. Also regarding IB, it will most likely overclock higher than SB since it is a die shrink. Other than that, shouldn't' be much difference. I've been saying this for a while now, but Intel has reached the point of diminishing returns with their current architecture. They probably think they don't need to innovate as much now since they think there is no competition.

I didnt notice the die shrink but you are right about that. But the clocks are the same. Everything is the same except die shrink, power consumption, and pcie 3.0.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5166/ivy-bridge-overview

Anand talks about how its the same too. No real improvements except power.
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Hey guys, I've been off-forum for quite some time now, so I'm guessing most of you don't know me. Although I have read that the Bulldozer CPU was AMD's biggest disappointment so far (they overestimated the transistor count by 800 million!) and that AMD may not make it as a result, I was wondering if you folks who have actually purchased and used the BD:
1) Had "buyer's remorse" and wish you hadn't wasted your money or believe it to be quite a worthwhile contender as soon as MS et. al. catch up with its "new" architecture
2) Would recommend it to someone who must replace an AMD 1055t (which is still overpriced at $185.00)
http://search.amd.com/US/_layouts/search/search.aspx?csquery=amd%201055t&collection=products-us
3) If you do recommend the BD as a "buy", which version is the most bang for the buck?
And, yes, I do realize what an infantile question this is at this point in time but I have also learned that I can trust OCN users more than I can reviews on the net. smile.gif

It was a marketing error in the press release that overstated the transistor counts. Its not like the engineers thought there were 2 billion transistors and then recounted an only saw 1.2 billion.

AMD is fine, they still compete in the entry and mid range just fine. I'll take my Brazos E-350 CPU Laptop over an Atom or Pentium based laptop any day. Llano is also a great entry level gaming platform.

1) no buyers remorse other then I probably could have saved a few bucks and just got a quad core instead.

2) I'd probably only recommend it if you had an Asus 900 series motherboard. Read through this thread and you'll see the troubles with Gigabyte's BIOS. Asrock seems to be ok and not much info on Biostar or any other manufacturer. Also it really depends on what you need it for. If you can use 8 threads then an 8120 might be for you, otherwise Thuban or Zosma might be a better choice. (1055t's are $149 on newegg BTW). Also if power consumption is an issue then stay away from BD, you really need to disable the power saving features as well as turbo core to get the best overclocks and performance from BD.

3) FX-4100 is pretty good for gamers with one GPU. FX-8120 would be good if you can use 8 threads. My FX-6100 is a solid performer but probably not worth the price compared to a Thuban.
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Does anyone know if this is correct about Trinity. It says that Trinity will support DDR3 2133Mhz over Llano supporting DDR3 1866Mhz?
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Furthermore, the bandwith from the memory controller is also improved thus bringing a significant impact on the performance on the on-die GPU as Llano did when it paired together with the DDR3-1866 DIMMs. You must be happy to know that the AMD does some changes to the integrated memory controller which now supports for the DDR3-2133 memory and energy-efficient DIMMS working at 1.25V. While talking about the integrated graphics core, it delivers 30% better performance than Llano. It also features a new Video Compression Engine as well as the AMD’s EyeFinity technology. Hopefully, the first Trinity APUs will arrive as scheduled in late first quarter or early second quarter of 2012. AMD has delivered the engineering samples of the chips to the company partners.

http://www.laptopmacdriver.com/laptop-news/amd-trinity-apus-review.html

Also, "eyefinity". Will Trinity support eyefinity? Is the GPU that good? Thats amazing if it does.
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Some info in that link is wrong. That article suggests that Trinity will have HD7000. It was already confirmed that Trinity will be using VLIW4. 990FX chipset only support 2x 16x pci-e 2.0. 1090FX will support pci-e 3.0 although I'm not sure if it will be just one or two. Also regarding IB, it will most likely overclock higher than SB since it is a die shrink. Other than that, shouldn't' be much difference. I've been saying this for a while now, but Intel has reached the point of diminishing returns with their current architecture. They probably think they don't need to innovate as much now since they think there is no competition.

Are you sure about the radeon hd 7000 series on Triniity cause I seen it here at anand too?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4705/amds-trinity-officially-branded-as-radeon-hd-7000-products

I know this is an old post but maybe the desktop trinity's will support hd 7000 series. Do you have more recent articles on this?
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Does anyone know if this is correct about Trinity. It says that Trinity will support DDR3 2133Mhz over Llano supporting DDR3 1866Mhz?
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Furthermore, the bandwith from the memory controller is also improved thus bringing a significant impact on the performance on the on-die GPU as Llano did when it paired together with the DDR3-1866 DIMMs. You must be happy to know that the AMD does some changes to the integrated memory controller which now supports for the DDR3-2133 memory and energy-efficient DIMMS working at 1.25V. While talking about the integrated graphics core, it delivers 30% better performance than Llano. It also features a new Video Compression Engine as well as the AMD’s EyeFinity technology. Hopefully, the first Trinity APUs will arrive as scheduled in late first quarter or early second quarter of 2012. AMD has delivered the engineering samples of the chips to the company partners.

http://www.laptopmacdriver.com/laptop-news/amd-trinity-apus-review.html

Also, "eyefinity". Will Trinity support eyefinity? Is the GPU that good? Thats amazing if it does.

Eyefinity would be great, although I doubt it would support gaming over Eyefinity and any sort of settings above Low...

Still huge news, that fact that AMD has been bringing out such amazing increases in their IMC's is pretty amazing in itself.

Don't forget that Trinity should also support Hybrid Crossfire with the low-end 7000 series.
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I would love to see PD outperforming SB and IB, but i'm realistic, I knew BD was worse than SB, but I bought it as it was the cheapest upgrade path for me.

And seeing how IPC is much worse than Phenom II, (4.1ghz 955be gets 1.21 single cine11.5, 5ghz BD gets 1.23).

and with IB having a couple IPC imprevements over SB, i dont see PD outperforming them. That would require a HUGE IPC improvement. Which I think its unlikely.
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I would love to see PD outperforming SB and IB, but i'm realistic, I knew BD was worse than SB, but I bought it as it was the cheapest upgrade path for me.
And seeing how IPC is much worse than Phenom II, (4.1ghz 955be gets 1.21 single cine11.5, 5ghz BD gets 1.23).
and with IB having a couple IPC imprevements over SB, i dont see PD outperforming them. That would require a HUGE IPC improvement. Which I think its unlikely.

Time will only tell. I hope that this new BD architecture turns out to be revolutionary for AMD. I just posted news that Apple has been looking at AMD apus to put in their macbooks and stuff. Trinity is to have 50% increase over Llano so they may have found the sweet spot for the BD architecture. If they can optimize the new architecture to work the way they want it to which it looks like might be happening, we may see some big changes coming. I hope so and I am looking forward to see what AMD has got in store for us with the architecture optimizations.

Yes I agree that IPC is under SB for sure but I wouldn't say that it is huge and I think this is mostly due to the fact that MS isn't utilizing BD "yet".
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