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AMD and ATI merged, the graphics division maintained the Radeon branding, but not ATI, so it is now AMD Radeon. Also you don't have to upgrade to a GTX 590, you could look at a 6950 2 GB or a GTX 570.

Thanks mate I'll look into that.
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Well guys Some freakish things with my 8120. Out of curiosity I started turning on some power saving features and I am stable at 4.410ghz with a 210 fsb. I enabled c6 and c1e enhanced halt state and c6 is the core option. Really strange but I'm just gonna keep the chip cause at 4.4ghz I am happy with it and has plenty of power for my needs.

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I've also settled for 4.4 @ 206 MHz I believe to keep my memory around 1920 MHz. I'm able to keep this stable with 1.4375 V on the CPU, and just minor bumps on everything else. Load temp of 51 C on H100 with two AP-15's in pull and super quiet.

4.9 is achievable on my chip, but it nears 60 C and gets some Illegal SUMOUT errors in Prime and will freeze in IBT with anything above standard size.

I haven't played around with CPU-NB, NB, HT, VDDA voltage as much as Mike and I might try it once Windows 8 Consumer Preview comes out, but for now 4.4 GHz with near quiet cooling seems to be the sweet spot for me.

I haven't installed the hot-fixes, instead I've just been using .bat files and the windows "start" command to set affinity myself as some programs benefit from being split across modules, whereas some either don;t benefit at all so are better off on just on module as 2 threads, or some programs can actually perform a little better sharing modules.

I don't regret my BD purchase, just the cost, $230 for the FX-8150 seems a like it might have been a better price then $270. I'll still keep hoping that Windows 8 and BIOS tweaks will help increase stability on higher overclocks. I've given up on hoping for IPC increases.
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2%gain
-___- BS.
just have an old look at I7 on Vista it lost more then 5%

http://www.techradar.com/news/computing-components/processors/how-windows-vista-drags-core-i7-down-480468

Turbo for bulldozer in one module is about 30% higher clock speed. This why using two module is suppose to be better for 4 threads higher clock speed.

4 threads 4 modules is only about 10% higher clock speed. you gain supposedly 10% from not sharing but look again The two module is still 10% higher clock speed with the 10% hit. it should be about the same really.
    
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2%gain
-___- BS.
just have an old look at I7 on Vista it lost more then 5%

http://www.techradar.com/news/computing-components/processors/how-windows-vista-drags-core-i7-down-480468

Turbo for bulldozer in one module is about 30% higher clock speed. This why using two module is suppose to be better for 4 threads higher clock speed.

4 threads 4 modules is only about 10% higher clock speed. you gain supposedly 10% from not sharing but look again The two module is still 10% higher clock speed with the 10% hit. it should be about the same really.

I'm having troubles understanding what you're trying to say, so sorry if I take it the wrong way.

Using the hot-fixes, it spreads the threads out across each module before starting to share. AMD's turbo-core activates it only 1 or 2 modules are being loaded, so the hot-fixes prevents the Turbo-Core from kicking in since more than 2 modules are being loaded, but there is a performance increase per thread by not sharing a module. The 30% Turbo-core increase on only 2 modules doesn't provide as much of an increase as splitting 4 threads across all 4 modules. At the same time though, with all 4 modules being loaded, power consumption goes up since power-saving gets disabled.

So the "up to 10%" gain in performance is a mix of losing the Turbo-core, and a gain in per-thread performance. Overall it is an increase of anywhere from 0% to 10% depending on application and load.
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I'm having troubles understanding what you're trying to say, so sorry if I take it the wrong way.
Using the hot-fixes, it spreads the threads out across each module before starting to share. AMD's turbo-core activates it only 1 or 2 modules are being loaded, so the hot-fixes prevents the Turbo-Core from kicking in since more than 2 modules are being loaded, but there is a performance increase per thread by not sharing a module. The 30% Turbo-core increase on only 2 modules doesn't provide as much of an increase as splitting 4 threads across all 4 modules. At the same time though, with all 4 modules being loaded, power consumption goes up since power-saving gets disabled.
So the "up to 10%" gain in performance is a mix of losing the Turbo-core, and a gain in per-thread performance. Overall it is an increase of anywhere from 0% to 10% depending on application and load.

you gain only gain 10%+ from not sharing. nothing else.

I can run 10% turbo from AOD on all modules.
in fact there are two turbo settings on AOD boost level 1, and boost level 0
    
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I also have an h100 with push pull mounted on underneath the top of my case and 2 kaze 134cfm fans mounted on top of them also pulling and man it reallly helps. They r super loud but I gotta little fan controller on them and on low they afent bad. I'm gonna do some testing as a 4 core for my 8120 (not 1 core per module) and see if 4.8ghz stays cool and outperforms 8 cores at 4.3_4.4.ghz. you guys think it might?

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I'm having troubles understanding what you're trying to say, so sorry if I take it the wrong way.
Using the hot-fixes, it spreads the threads out across each module before starting to share. AMD's turbo-core activates it only 1 or 2 modules are being loaded, so the hot-fixes prevents the Turbo-Core from kicking in since more than 2 modules are being loaded, but there is a performance increase per thread by not sharing a module. The 30% Turbo-core increase on only 2 modules doesn't provide as much of an increase as splitting 4 threads across all 4 modules. At the same time though, with all 4 modules being loaded, power consumption goes up since power-saving gets disabled.
So the "up to 10%" gain in performance is a mix of losing the Turbo-core, and a gain in per-thread performance. Overall it is an increase of anywhere from 0% to 10% depending on application and load.

I have the windows patches installed and it seems that turbo kicks in just as much as it did before the patches were installed. Maybe you could clarify this for us.
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I haven't installed the hot-fixes, instead I've just been using .bat files and the windows "start" command to set affinity myself as some programs benefit from being split across modules, whereas some either don;t benefit at all so are better off on just on module as 2 threads, or some programs can actually perform a little better sharing modules.

Can you elaborate on how you set affinity when windows starts? I would like to try this out and see if its different than having the incomplete patch installed.

On another note, I think the first incomplete patch works better than the two complete patches. Does anyone agree? I am getting worse multithreaded performance than before the complete patch. With the incomplete patch the multithreaded performance stayed the same, which was always good with BD, while lightly threaded performance increased. It seems with the new complete patch that the multithreaded performance decreases just as much if not more than the single threaded performance increases. Is anyone experiencing the same thing. I noticed this on BF3 gameplay. The game used to run extremely smooth but now its jittery and not nearly as smooth as it used to be.

Thanks for the help guys
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I'm having troubles understanding what you're trying to say, so sorry if I take it the wrong way.
Using the hot-fixes, it spreads the threads out across each module before starting to share. AMD's turbo-core activates it only 1 or 2 modules are being loaded, so the hot-fixes prevents the Turbo-Core from kicking in since more than 2 modules are being loaded, but there is a performance increase per thread by not sharing a module. The 30% Turbo-core increase on only 2 modules doesn't provide as much of an increase as splitting 4 threads across all 4 modules. At the same time though, with all 4 modules being loaded, power consumption goes up since power-saving gets disabled.
So the "up to 10%" gain in performance is a mix of losing the Turbo-core, and a gain in per-thread performance. Overall it is an increase of anywhere from 0% to 10% depending on application and load.

I have the windows patches installed and it seems that turbo kicks in just as much as it did before the patches were installed. Maybe you could clarify this for us.

Well with 1 or two modules being loaded the Turbo will kick in no problem, but when 3 or 4 modules are being heavily loaded, the Turbo doesn't kick in because of the max TDP. So for most loads, the Turbo might kick in. I should have been a little clearer in that if you have 4 threads that are CPU hungry and they are split across 1 core of each modules rather then across 4 cores of just 2 modules, the full Turbo won't kick in.

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I haven't installed the hot-fixes, instead I've just been using .bat files and the windows "start" command to set affinity myself as some programs benefit from being split across modules, whereas some either don;t benefit at all so are better off on just on module as 2 threads, or some programs can actually perform a little better sharing modules.

Can you elaborate on how you set affinity when windows starts? I would like to try this out and see if its different than having the incomplete patch installed.

It's not when windows starts. What you do is you set up a .bat file to run the "start" command in conjunction with the program you want to run, and you can set an affinity mask. See the following two link for instruction and results:

Source Page 1 with instructions

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I have the windows patches installed and it seems that turbo kicks in just as much as it did before the patches were installed. Maybe you could clarify this for us.
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I haven't installed the hot-fixes, instead I've just been using .bat files and the windows "start" command to set affinity myself as some programs benefit from being split across modules, whereas some either don;t benefit at all so are better off on just on module as 2 threads, or some programs can actually perform a little better sharing modules.
Can you elaborate on how you set affinity when windows starts? I would like to try this out and see if its different than having the incomplete patch installed.
On another note, I think the first incomplete patch works better than the two complete patches. Does anyone agree? I am getting worse multithreaded performance than before the complete patch. With the incomplete patch the multithreaded performance stayed the same, which was always good with BD, while lightly threaded performance increased. It seems with the new complete patch that the multithreaded performance decreases just as much if not more than the single threaded performance increases. Is anyone experiencing the same thing. I noticed this on BF3 gameplay. The game used to run extremely smooth but now its jittery and not nearly as smooth as it used to be.
Thanks for the help guys

I've experienced this with cinebench and Wprime........ it only goes down below 1% but the jerking and smoothness is almost not the same frown.gif, It might be because i accidentally Installed the x64 patches and not the x86 patches, but still installed the x86 cause i found they were the right 1s (So their might be some kind of scheduling error going on and i'm not gonna Re-install windows to fix a <1% decrease...) So, if anyone knows or can it be done to remove the x64 patch, LMK!

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I've experienced this with cinebench and Wprime........ it only goes down below 1% but the jerking and smoothness is almost not the same frown.gif, It might be because i accidentally Installed the x64 patches and not the x86 patches, but still installed the x86 cause i found they were the right 1s (So their might be some kind of scheduling error going on and i'm not gonna Re-install windows to fix a <1% decrease...) So, if anyone knows or can it be done to remove the x64 patch, LMK!
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It can be removed. You got to go to windows updates installed and unistall them. The will be listed as hotfix.

I am thinking that I will just install the old patch that simply just spread the load across the modules rather than the cores. Like the same thing with setting the affinity. Without the core parking and whatever else they put in there that has decreased my multithreading performance.

I still dont understand how to make a .dat file or what you talking about using windows start command. They did not have any instructions really all they did was say that you got to set to 55 or something or other but I dont know what start command is or how to make a .dat file.
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