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hmmmm. Maybe there really is no difference between Windows 7 and Windows 8 Bulldozer performance, maybe it's just another money making scheme. Wouldn't be surprised by that.
I would have to the say that windows 8 dev is not made to handle bulldozer. I would go as far as saying that Windows 8 dev demo they dropped is far from Windows 8 as it could be.
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I dont understand, do I copy that to notebook and save it as .dat file? Then what? Im not sure that I am following what you are saying at all...

You will have to change the "start-in" folder and the program path for yours as it might be different.

Here's the "start" command broken down for anyone else who needs info on it:


the command itself
Code:
start


Title of the new window it creates
Code:
"F@H x6"


This is the working folder of the program
Code:
/D C:\Users\jonesy\Desktop\bigadv


This sets the affinity
Code:
/affinity 3F


This is the actual program in quotes followed by any arguments
Code:
"C:\Program Files (x86)\Folding@home-x86\FAH6.34-win32-SMP.exe" -smp 6 -bigadv




program.bat
Code:
start "F@H x6" /D C:\Users\jonesy\Desktop\bigadv /affinity 3F "C:\Program Files (x86)\Folding@home-x86\FAH6.34-win32-SMP.exe" -smp 6 -bigadv

program is whatever you want to call it. Make sure you have the option in Windows Explorer to "hide known file extensions" unchecked so that you can make sure it actually is a .bat file. Then you should be able to just double click it on your desktop.
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I would have to the say that windows 8 dev is not made to handle bulldozer. I would go as far as saying that Windows 8 dev demo they dropped is far from Windows 8 as it could be.

Your probably right I doubt Microsoft gave people the full potential of Windows 8 on the Dev release. The RC should give us different results, but the final release is what matters.
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Actually I tried playing bf3 and mw3 yesterday on my system with both patches installed and they ran fine. I guess that previous time that I tried I was just on a bad server. Dont really know what happened but bf3 gameplay was smooth. I was thinking about removing the patches anyway and just installing the incomplete patch because I think the only thing it does is set the affinity just like with the windows start command stated above.

Can anyone explain exactly what is going on with the new patches, like what the core parking does and whatever else they included?

What do you guys think I should do? You think I should just leave it with two complete patches installed or with nothing installed or should I install the incomplete patch? Let me know what you guys think and also let me know if you know anything about the patches and what they do.

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@mikezachlowe2004

Regarding the KB2646060 Hotfix (second one), you can´t go back according to Microsoft, here´s what is says on the hotfix page (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2646060).


"Important, If you apply this update, you cannot revert the settings by uninstalling this update. This update should only be installed on computers that have KB2645594 installed."


Don´t know because I didn´t install the second one, just the first one then I did a register hack for the core parking.
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@mikezachlowe2004
Regarding the KB2646060 Hotfix (second one), you can´t go back according to Microsoft, here´s what is says on the hotfix page (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2646060).
"Important, If you apply this update, you cannot revert the settings by uninstalling this update. This update should only be installed on computers that have KB2645594 installed."
Don´t know because I didn´t install the second one, just the first one then I did a register hack for the core parking.

Thats the first I heard about that. When you go into windows updates and looked at the installed ones it shows both hotfixes and has the option of uninstalling both of them. I havent tried it but from what i have seen in windows update is that you can but dont know for sure. I guess the only way to find out is to try it.
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Maybe it doesn't fully uninstall it or something? I guess u could do a full format and reinstall if u really wanted to. No way thatwouldnt work... I'm thinking of gettin the win 8 beta and dual booting ubuntu 11.10(?) Seeing as how ubunto(linux) runs better. I wish that it was more accepted as an OS with mainstream users because 1) its free and 2) all games and software would accept it and 3)its free!!!! I know there is the wine program I could use to run .exe programs but I'm no computer programmer and that is a headache! I still am enjoying my 8120. Now that I am done messing with overclocking finally, I am going to start exploring all of the possibilities with it. Time for some Vm's !

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Maybe it doesn't fully uninstall it or something? I guess u could do a full format and reinstall if u really wanted to. No way thatwouldnt work... I'm thinking of gettin the win 8 beta and dual booting ubuntu 11.10(?) Seeing as how ubunto(linux) runs better. I wish that it was more accepted as an OS with mainstream users because 1) its free and 2) all games and software would accept it and 3)its free!!!! I know there is the wine program I could use to run .exe programs but I'm no computer programmer and that is a headache! I still am enjoying my 8120. Now that I am done messing with overclocking finally, I am going to start exploring all of the possibilities with it. Time for some Vm's !
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That is a good way of looking at things!
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Can anyone explain exactly what is going on with the new patches, like what the core parking does and whatever else they included?

Basically, with BD design (one module with two integer cores inside), two integer cores within a module compete with each other on resources (cache, FPU, etc). Windows assigns threads randomly, so many times two threads with little to no similarities end up within a same module. With limited resources within a module, this cause both threads to perform less. These patches treat BD as 4 cores 8 threads, similar to Intel HT. So threads that have little to no similarities end up in different module. In a sense it maximize each core available resource.

With each module now getting at least one thread (as opposed to 4 threads in 2 modules), power consumption goes up slightly. Before patch unused module will get turned off (core parking).

These patches does not improve IPC or any other thing, so single thread performance should still be the same.
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Basically, with BD design (one module with two integer cores inside), two integer cores within a module compete with each other on resources (cache, FPU, etc).

Integer Cores do not compete with each other

The Cache has buffers(L1i has a 256 Byte buffer per core and L2 has a 4 Kilobyte Buffer for each core)
Floating Point has an OoO scheduler which prevents decreases in performance

Sustained IPC is always 4 with each core
Edited by Seronx - 1/26/12 at 12:26pm
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