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I never said anything about free. I said a pay the difference upgrade policy.

Any discussion of this is pointless. The odds of this being a 'special' update to the architecture are really really small. (see my post re. mmarq being a nutter) this thread, post #3508
Edited by nub - 2/6/12 at 4:19pm
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I never said anything about free. I said a pay the difference upgrade policy. I look at it almost like a vehicle recall. If you pay $260 for a CPU and a month later it is magically improved by 15% or more ... That means they fixed issue's, problems with the design. I'm not saying they will, but in this case I think the right thing to do it provide a "trade up" type program to the new and improved version at a discounted cost with a trade of your existing chip. If I bought a new car and a month later Toyota said "ohh we fixed something, that same car now gets an extra 8MPG" ..... It's the same make, model, year... just "revised" I.E. fixed.

They fix issues with every stepping - thats why it's called a stepping and not a new model CPU. If they did a trade-up program they'd have to throw away the old CPUs that are traded in, meaning they'd not only need to charge you for the new CPU, but the order processing for the returned CPU and processing for shipping a new CPU.

No car maker sells a car and a month later the car maker "fixes something" and it gets 8 mpg better mileage. They'd be lucky to get an .8 of a MPG improvement. It's similar with CPUs. AMD is not going to get 15% improvement in a B3 stepping. Even if they offered a trade-up program they'd have to charge you close to retail price for the trade up. You'd be better off to sell your current FX and just buy a new one IMO.
Edited by AMD4ME - 2/7/12 at 9:11am
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Originally Posted by nub View Post

if it sounds too good to be true it probably is.
just my .02
edit: mmarq (the guy that info came from re. not a regular stepping) seems to have some "unusual" beliefs. judging by his posts in a thread at amdzone, he thinks the laws of thermodynamics are not 'laws' at all and there are engines that run without any fuel. wth.gif
http://www.amdzone.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=139039
basically he is part of the tinfoil hat crowd. thumb.gif

I find that when I shape my tinfoil hat into a perfect pyramid (not cone mind you) that my FX6100 gives me an additional 171 MHz. This, of course, is only during a full moon with a high tide.
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Honestly, Amd has no reason to release a 8170.

the 8150 is suppose to compete with the 2600k based on its price. I won't go into how it actually competes. If a 8170 does come out it will just be a higher clocked 8150. Then granted the issues they had with global foundries, and process teething issues, they might not have many high enough binned parts to offer a 8170.

Amd will probably release piledriver ahead of schedule. Amd's new Apu's are set to release soon based on the pile driver cores. Of coarse this is without delays. Given Amd's new CEO's speech on focus. Amd's plans to compete in the graphics,server, low power, and portable markets. He said something along the lines of trying to compete with intel is bogus.So Amd will focus on the markets they can win, due to their different development strategies.
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Towards the middle of March and then begin production of APUs with TDP of 65 watts and will include four series: A10-5700-5500 A8, A6 and A4-5400-5300 . Models with a TDP of 100 watts , however, will be grouped in families A10 and A8-5800-5600 . Before then, in January, the Sunnyvale chipmaker will update the current line of Llano APU, introducing two models with unlocked multiplier (A8 and A6-3870K-3670K) and chip-3820 A8, A6 and A4-3620-3420.

this info is not confirmed, but Amd did release the K series apu's.

Question that remains to been seen is Will piledriver be more competitive than bulldozer. Clearly they made some improvements, and we will get a peek at these improvements when the new apu's are released.
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Yeah BD got a lot of bad reviews and it is so much harder to regain your reputation after its been dragged through the mud by the media. FX 81xx line isnt bad, its very solid, and aside from gaming it is trading blows with the more expensive 2600k, but they sure need some good cooling. If I had great cooling I would have gotten another 81xx for 4.9ghz 24/4 but decided to try something new, went with a 2500k. So officially now I have played with my 1100t at 4.2ghz, 8150 at 4.9ghz and now my 2500k at 4.8ghz. While gaming they all pretty much feel the same, the 2500k might "feel" quicker when turning quicky quickly but the fps doesnt show it much on bf3, which is a game that amd can do great since it will use every core. The only thing I can say that the 2500k does noticably faster is normal program opening and such, the heaven 2.5 benchmark on my SSd took 32seconds to open on the 1100t, on the 2500k it takes 17sec, but for some reason the peak fps is 5fps lower on the 2500k, but the average on the 2500k is 1-2fps higher.
All im trying to say is that out of the 3 cpu's I have owned, they were all great. Intel fanboys have a chip on their shoulder too biggrin.gif lol The 2500k is nice but its not really doing anything my 1100t couldnt do. But I did buy mine at $179 so it was worth it to try it out thumb.gif
I agree with you dude, its why I sold my 8150 when I had it, I didnt want to have to spend so much more on cooling to keep it happy at 4.9ghz, i dont like to run an oc that I havent verified to be prime stable, and with the volts i needed for 4.9ghz shot me to 62c within 2-3mins on prime using my atec 920 modded for 2 radiators (120mm each). My 1100t was great at 4.2ghz paired with a gtx570 for gaming, i only wish I had a chance to sli my 570gtx while on amd to see how it did. Im not a huge fan of sli though and with the new gpu's being SOOOO powerfull, I dont think I will sli in 2012 either.

It probably would have been cheaper just to buy a rasa kit instead of modding that cooler, the pump is no where near powerful to move enough water through those rads.
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Announcement:
Turns out that the ASUS Crosshair 5 Formula club happens to need a new owner. Tweeky has asked me (pioneerisloud) to find a replacement as he would like to retire from this club. If anybody would like to take ownership of this club, and keep it updated daily, please shoot me (pioneerisloud) a PM with the title "Crosshair V Application", and tell me why we should pick you as the replacement.

Thanks,
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yaaa my extra fan for my xigmatek aegir will be in tomorrow which means i can go push/pull and see what it does for temps then.

well I can officially say I'm happy somewhat still waiting on the fan. However, was messing around tonight and
got my bd upto 4ghz 200fsb/20 multi at 1.306vcore and my new 7970 at 1200mhz/1500mem w/ 1225mv.

cpu temps was at 38c card was 52c with fan at 85% 3dmark06 18510.

its not much compared to most but with no watercooling atm that about as far as I wanna push it.
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nice thread!
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Announcement:
Turns out that the ASUS Crosshair 5 Formula club happens to need a new owner. Tweeky has asked me (pioneerisloud) to find a replacement as he would like to retire from this club. If anybody would like to take ownership of this club, and keep it updated daily, please shoot me (pioneerisloud) a PM with the title "Crosshair V Application", and tell me why we should pick you as the replacement.


Thanks,

~pio

pioneerisloud   http://www.overclock.net/u/41518/pioneerisloud

I could've sworn I posted already once.... sozo.gif

I was going to repost that myself today. I'll be taking applications till this weekend. So get them in guys.
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I know you guys have replied to this several times and will probably make a little mess in here but i need honest answers as im digging my own grave.
My current setup got f**** up, so i had to send my CIIIF mobo to RMA. Seeing as that will probably take over a month to solve. I want to know if going the Bulldozer way will be good. Basically im looking at a FX8150 for 245€ in a local store. I currently have no budget limit, but i kinda want to keep it low and at the same time making the CPU last more that just a couple years...

The rig is dedicated to gaming and 3D. I will be playing "crappy" games that nobody probably has ever heard about and some demanding mainstream ones just to kill time. I also run 3DS Max, Photoshop CS, and a gazillion browser tabs for quick browsing.
Will there be any real improvements over my 965BE clocked at 3.9, considering all the "problems" that BD had??
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