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I know you guys have replied to this several times and will probably make a little mess in here but i need honest answers as im digging my own grave.
My current setup got f**** up, so i had to send my CIIIF mobo to RMA. Seeing as that will probably take over a month to solve. I want to know if going the Bulldozer way will be good. Basically im looking at a FX8150 for 245€ in a local store. I currently have no budget limit, but i kinda want to keep it low and at the same time making the CPU last more that just a couple years...

The rig is dedicated to gaming and 3D. I will be playing "crappy" games that nobody probably has ever heard about and some demanding mainstream ones just to kill time. I also run 3DS Max, Photoshop CS, and a gazillion browser tabs for quick browsing.
Will there be any real improvements over my 965BE clocked at 3.9, considering all the "problems" that BD had??

Well the only real improvements would be in photoshop/3ds max, and internet tabs. Bulldozer can clock quite high, So if your at 3.9ghz now, a Bulldozer @ 4.6ghz will be a total system upgrade, ie will benchmark faster in all cases.

I went from a 1055T@3.8ghz to my 8120@4.9ghz. I noticed a healthy boost in performance. Windows is very snappy, (all bulldozers l3 goes into play). Gaming wise performance went up by a few %, nothing major though, most games i am still rather GPU limited with 6870 1gb crossfire.

Honestly your setup should last for awhile yet. Piledriver cores are not to far off, neither is Ivy Bridge.
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I know you guys have replied to this several times and will probably make a little mess in here but i need honest answers as im digging my own grave.
My current setup got f**** up, so i had to send my CIIIF mobo to RMA. Seeing as that will probably take over a month to solve. I want to know if going the Bulldozer way will be good. Basically im looking at a FX8150 for 245€ in a local store. I currently have no budget limit, but i kinda want to keep it low and at the same time making the CPU last more that just a couple years...
The rig is dedicated to gaming and 3D. I will be playing "crappy" games that nobody probably has ever heard about and some demanding mainstream ones just to kill time. I also run 3DS Max, Photoshop CS, and a gazillion browser tabs for quick browsing.
Will there be any real improvements over my 965BE clocked at 3.9, considering all the "problems" that BD had??
Well the only real improvements would be in photoshop/3ds max, and internet tabs. Bulldozer can clock quite high, So if your at 3.9ghz now, a Bulldozer @ 4.6ghz will be a total system upgrade, ie will benchmark faster in all cases.
I went from a 1055T@3.8ghz to my 8120@4.9ghz. I noticed a healthy boost in performance. Windows is very snappy, (all bulldozers l3 goes into play). Gaming wise performance went up by a few %, nothing major though, most games i am still rather GPU limited with 6870 1gb crossfire.
Honestly your setup should last for awhile yet. Piledriver cores are not to far off, neither is Ivy Bridge.

Thanks for the reply. GPU wise im kinda good for now.. The HD5850 handles it quite good and since im not gaming on 1080p res, (my screen only goes up to 1440x900), guess it should be enough.
Guess i will be a proud owner of a FX8150 within a month then. I will check into piledriver and see how tempting it is...
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ok so i have this FX6100 , i got it overclocked to 4.3 at 1.42 volts is temps of 36c to 38c idle, this ok for this chip? under load it goes to 52-55c and under prime 95 it went to 73c. i just dont want to burn out this chip thanks for the replies
 
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i'm not exactly sure about your particular chip, but 1.42v for 4.3ghz is kind of alot. I'm running mine at 4.5ghz @ 1.4v in the bios with llc enabled.

73c under prime 95 which is 100% load on all cores, is just too high. It should not be that high at that frequency and that voltage, with your listed cooler, are you sure it is seated correctly?

P.S. im using the hyper 212 evo and my temp in prime95 is 60c max. So something sounds off here.

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Well his temps look good for the chip... and his overall stable clock speed at that voltage really depends on what he is running his ram at. It seems that the faster he runs his ram (either lower timings or higher clock speed) the more voltage the cpu will require to maintain stability.
Rite now (because I have been doing ALOT (almost 24/7) HD video trans-coding with a CPU biased program) I have my CPU clocked down to 4.5Ghz on all 8 cores @ 1.415vcore with my ram timings loosened to CAS 10 @ 2100Mhz and 1.575v (GSkill Sniper low voltage 1866 Cas 9)
If I were purely gaming as when I first dropped the chip in I would be running @ my standard 5Ghz (4.995) @ 1.475vcore and ram backed down to 1600 @ 8-9-8-24 and 1.5v...
So it all depends on the main usage of rig and how demanding the applications are on the CPU, he may require more or less voltage based on the usage at the time. LOL in fact I have 10 bios profiles stored (5 stored on the mobo and 5 more on a usb stick) JUST for that reason.

But yes... 73*C is WAAAAY too high; beef up your cooling before venturing any higher bro... Honestly; I get nervous at anything over 60*C though I know this chip can in fact handle it... I just don't feel comfortable at 60*C+ but that's me.

PS: Double check your thermal interface between the CPU and your N520... The N520 should be more than capable to cool this cpu.
But we do need more information on your overclocked bios settings....If you could list all of your voltage and freq. setting we could help you better. Take screen shots of your bios if possible
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Also to add to what mrinfinit3 said. All BD cpu's are not created equally. If he has a lower vid chip like I do he will require a higher vcore when overclocking than a higher vid chip.
EX: my 6100 is stock vid of 1.25, it takes 1.48 vcore under load 1.45vcore idle for my stable 4.7Ghz.
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Is this for Real

The B3 8170
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AMD FX – Series B3 revision is more than just a basic stepping:

I have direct knowledge of a possible B3 revision for the AMD FX line of CPUs. I cannot disclose performance projections at this time, but be assured AMDs processor division is working vigorously on a (B3) stepping revision with minor architectural tweaks. The base architecture will not be changed at this time.


See Other thoughts below.

Slower than the Phenom II X6 CPUs in a Clock for clock review(s). B3 revision coming to resolve this issue among a few more.


Other Thoughts: Within the B3 stepping revision, expect minor tweaks to the following:

1) L1, L2 and L3 latencies

2) Cache Thrashing Issues

3) Modified Algorithms for Branch Prediction

4) Healthy Bump in Processor Frequency

5) Slight Frequency increase via NB Controller

6) “Total Intelligent Control†For example programs and applications should look at the module design approach and the ability for the processor to intelligently turn off and/or turn on specific cores that it believes is hindering performance for maximum performance. (May be for Socket FM2, not sure at this time).

7) Power will be improved but not my much. We will have to wait for Socket FM2 or a future B4 revision for the AM3+ platform for better power efficiency especially when Over-clocked.


Based on what i can read here maybe the 8170 is another 3-5% better per core, and if you join the other 3-5% due to OS fixes, and ~9% clock, we are talking about 15-20% better than the FX unpatched system or 10-15% better than with a patched one.


No wonder AMD has no hurry with vishera, probably only way after 2H and going into most of 2013. Nevertheless i believe the 8170 is EOL of current line for "top", after it only vishera.
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I know you guys have replied to this several times and will probably make a little mess in here but i need honest answers as im digging my own grave.
My current setup got f**** up, so i had to send my CIIIF mobo to RMA. Seeing as that will probably take over a month to solve. I want to know if going the Bulldozer way will be good. Basically im looking at a FX8150 for 245€ in a local store. I currently have no budget limit, but i kinda want to keep it low and at the same time making the CPU last more that just a couple years...
The rig is dedicated to gaming and 3D. I will be playing "crappy" games that nobody probably has ever heard about and some demanding mainstream ones just to kill time. I also run 3DS Max, Photoshop CS, and a gazillion browser tabs for quick browsing.
Will there be any real improvements over my 965BE clocked at 3.9, considering all the "problems" that BD had??
Well the only real improvements would be in photoshop/3ds max, and internet tabs. Bulldozer can clock quite high, So if your at 3.9ghz now, a Bulldozer @ 4.6ghz will be a total system upgrade, ie will benchmark faster in all cases.
I went from a 1055T@3.8ghz to my 8120@4.9ghz. I noticed a healthy boost in performance. Windows is very snappy, (all bulldozers l3 goes into play). Gaming wise performance went up by a few %, nothing major though, most games i am still rather GPU limited with 6870 1gb crossfire.
Honestly your setup should last for awhile yet. Piledriver cores are not to far off, neither is Ivy Bridge.

Thanks for the reply. GPU wise im kinda good for now.. The HD5850 handles it quite good and since im not gaming on 1080p res, (my screen only goes up to 1440x900), guess it should be enough.
Guess i will be a proud owner of a FX8150 within a month then. I will check into piledriver and see how tempting it is...

I think youd be wasting your money, denebs are good little cpus and it's a pretty nice fit with a 5850. I'd keep your money and save for a nice cheap 23inch monitor thumb.gif
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i'm not exactly sure about your particular chip, but 1.42v for 4.3ghz is kind of alot. I'm running mine at 4.5ghz @ 1.4v in the bios with llc enabled.
73c under prime 95 which is 100% load on all cores, is just too high. It should not be that high at that frequency and that voltage, with your listed cooler, are you sure it is seated correctly?
P.S. im using the hyper 212 evo and my temp in prime95 is 60c max. So something sounds off here.
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2239220

His cooler is garbage. I know, i own one. Sorry man, invest in a better cooler. N520 is terrible. mad.gif
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