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If you bought one from them then take your receipt in and they with refund the difference.
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Got my 8120 and TA990FX from Newegg. No help there. frown.gif Thanks tho smile.gif

If I could have got that deal last week, i'd have drove the 2.5 hours to Dallas for it. frown.gif
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Originally Posted by AMD4ME View Post

Anything less than an H100 and you might as well use a highend HSF that doesn't leak water...
http://www.anandtech.com/print/5054

Lol. Since release of the all in one sealed units by corsair there have only been a few cases where they have leaked. And corsair has never, I repeat, never not replaced all the parts damaged by the leak. For me, that's a great reason to go corsair h series over ANY high end heat sink. Let alone they are more silent and cool better. But that's just me.
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Lol. Since release of the all in one sealed units by corsair there have only been a few cases where they have leaked. And corsair has never, I repeat, never not replaced all the parts damaged by the leak. For me, that's a great reason to go corsair h series over ANY high end heat sink. Let alone they are more silent and cool better. But that's just me.

Not sure where you are getting your info. from but this has all been discussed in detail in numerous air-cooling threads. From objective, scientific testing we know that when comparing a Corsair/Antec CLC to a highend HSF:

A CLC is:

1. Thermally inefficient

2. A poor value

3. Noisy

4. Has a very real liability of a water leak causing hundreds of dollars in PC hardware damage

5. When it leaks and damages hardware you can lose data, end up without your PC for weeks, need to ship hardware back and forth and then rebuild your PC - with no guarantee that the new CLC won't leak

The objective test data is reality, not subjective opinion.

http://www.anandtech.com/print/5054

I recommend that people educate themselves on the Pros and Cons of CPU cooling systems before you buy so that you have FACTUAL technical information as many people falsely believe that CLCs cool better than HSFs.

For most PC enthusiasts a CLC is a poor choice if you have room for a highend HSF, which can cool your CPU just fine with thermal loads up to 345w and beyond. The Xigmatek Aegir and Mugen 3 with a second fan can equal a dual-fan H100 @ 345w load without the noise, cost or water leak liability.

http://www.thelab.gr/heatsinks-coolers-watercooling-reviews/cpu-cooler-review-database-89014.html

As always Buy What Makes You Happy - but don't be mislead by false beliefs that are perpetuated on CLCs being better than highend HSFs as CLCs lose out in all technical metrics used by most PC enthusiasts when purchasing a CPU cooler - thermal efficiency, cost, noise and reliability.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1249998/best-possible-cpu-fan-for-under-60

If you want to discuss HSFs vs. CLC CPU coolers more, you should probably do it in the Air-Cooled forums but there are numerous threads there with all this info. all ready.
Edited by AMD4ME - 5/1/12 at 8:18pm
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Originally Posted by AMD4ME View Post

Not sure where you are getting your info. from but this has all been discussed in detail in numerous air-cooling threads. From objective, scientific testing we know that when comparing a Corsair/Antec CLC to a highend HSF:
A CLC is:
1. Thermally inefficient
2. A poor value
3. Noisy
4. Has a very real liability of a water leak causing hundreds of dollars in PC hardware damage
5. When it leaks and damages hardware you can lose data, end up without your PC for weeks, need to ship hardware back and forth and then rebuild your PC - with no guarantee that the new CLC won't leak
The objective test data is reality, not subjective opinion.
http://www.anandtech.com/print/5054
I recommend that people educate themselves on the Pros and Cons of CPU cooling systems before you buy so that you have FACTUAL technical information as many people falsely believe that CLCs cool better than HSFs.
For most PC enthusiasts a CLC is a poor choice if you have room for a highend HSF, which can cool your CPU just fine with thermal loads up to 345w and beyond. The Xigmatek Aegir and Mugen 3 with a second fan can equal a dual-fan H100 @ 345w load without the noise, cost or water leak liability.
http://www.thelab.gr/heatsinks-coolers-watercooling-reviews/cpu-cooler-review-database-89014.html
As always Buy What Makes You Happy - but don't be mislead by false beliefs that are perpetuated on CLCs being better than highend HSFs as CLCs lose out in all technical metrics used by most PC enthusiasts when purchasing a CPU cooler - thermal efficiency, cost, noise and reliability.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1249998/best-possible-cpu-fan-for-under-60
If you want to discuss HSFs vs. CLC CPU coolers more, you should probably do it in the Air-Cooled forums but there are numerous threads there with all this info. all ready.

I'm sorry, I'm not the one who mentioned it..besides claiming leaks when there have been less than 10 in the past year mentioned on overclock.net is naive and ignorant when there have been millions sold.
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I'm sorry, I'm not the one who mentioned it..besides claiming leaks when there have been less than 10 in the past year mentioned on overclock.net is naive and ignorant when there have been millions sold.

You don't REALLY believe that just because there are only (10) REPORTS on OCN that is a realistic number of leaks, do you? No mfg. is going to tell you how many defective products they have had to warranty be it CLC, SSDs or high-pressure fuel pumps on BMW x35i models since 2006 and still counting.

BMW told NHTSA their failure rate was ~5%. When 20/20 did an investigation and found differently BMW admited it was more like 35%... when in fact it was probably closer to 50%, so apparently BMW forgot a ZERO when reporting to NHTSA. NHTSA just fined BMW $300 million for failing to properly report defects in a timely manner. So when an SSD or CLC maker tells you they have a very low failure rate, like on SandForce 2281 controller based SSDs, take it with a Large grain of salt. When a water leak damages your PC hardware you don't care how small the failure rate percentage is... the damage is done and for what when a CLC has no technical merit over a highend HSF - if you have room for one.

The reason I suggested you take the discussion to the air-cooled forum is because we're straying off topic. I posted a quick comment to help the person who was considering an H60. You want to convince people Corsair H-series coolers are superior and reliable when they are neither based on objective testing. That's why you should go to the air-cooled forum if you want to learn or debate this subject again - even though there really is nothing to debate as the objective test data makes it perfectly clear what I posted above is technically accurate.

As always I recommend that people technically EDUCATE themselves and then Buy What Makes You Happy!
Edited by AMD4ME - 5/1/12 at 8:43pm
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Lol. Since release of the all in one sealed units by corsair there have only been a few cases where they have leaked. And corsair has never, I repeat, never not replaced all the parts damaged by the leak. For me, that's a great reason to go corsair h series over ANY high end heat sink. Let alone they are more silent and cool better. But that's just me.

None of this is correct. Where are you getting your info that "only been a few cases where they have leaked"? Also, high end air coolers perform better and are quieter
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"None of this is correct. Where are you getting your info that "only been a few cases where they have leaked"? Also, high end air coolers perform better and are quieter"
Agreed but water cooler are WAY cooler:specool:.
and you can get them much quieter with nuctua's because there stock fan's suck.
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From my experience A thermaltake Frio is a lot better than an H80. I had one that stopped working after 6 months for no reason!!
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From my experience A thermaltake Frio is a lot better than an H80. I had one that stopped working after 6 months for no reason!!

It would've had a reason, you just wouldnt have been aware of it (Such as manufacturing defects)


Closed water loops are often selected due to them being a good deal quieter than air coolers. Even now, my H60 with its stock fan is much much quieter compared to one of my PCs with a Hyper 212+ Both with single fans, and the H60 performs better due to its full contact CPU block. That is where air coolers fail. Due to air coolers using Heat pipes, not all heatsinks can have a full contact with the CPU. (Due to gaps in said Heatpipes) Which is why Coolermaster released the newer 212 EVO. The only difference to the Evo and the 212+ is the gaps in the heatpipes (The EVO has no gaps)


Basically, if you want quieter setups (Like most everybody does) you'll get a closed loop system. They all perform roughly the same.
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