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I suppose this is the place to ask...
Are we gonna see a new line of mobo's for next gen FX(supposedly late October)?
Are we gonna see a "mini" push w/ more enthusiast/gamer oriented mobos in the matx/itx form factor(supporting FX not fusion)?
If "no" to both of the above, what enthusiast options exist for FX in matx/itx form factor?
Danky for any response ahead of time. biggrin.gif

AMD has stated that the AM3+ socket will remain all the way through Steamroller. Will they stick to it? Your guess is as good as mine. But for Piledriver it is, as BD is, an AM3+ socket CPU with no plans to create a new "chipset".

I think we'll see some 990 micro ATX boards come out eventually. I have no idea when though.
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@ HMG : You are going completely off of the deep end now.

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PHII's can NOT run RAM anywhere near the speeds an FX can.

I am pretty sure that everybody running an FX knows this.

This is not going to change no matter how often you state that the opposite is true.
    
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@ HMG : You are going completely off of the deep end now.
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PHII's can NOT run RAM anywhere near the speeds an FX can.
I am pretty sure that everybody running an FX knows this.
This is not going to change no matter how often you state that the opposite is true.
Faster ram is all well and good on your FX,though it won't help you when the CPU itself cannot process the ram fast enough. Even so,a FX is only a few gb's/second faster than a properly OC'd PHII. It depends on the chipset,but a PHII Thuban can run 1866. All AMD's prefer lower times as opposed to faster speeds,with that 30nm ram you may be able to run 7-7-7 @ 1600.
Edited by Heavy MG - 7/15/12 at 11:56am
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I have news for you, HMG: Games run faster and smoother on FXs compared to Phenoms.

Part of this is because the FX CPU/NB can deliver more information stored in the RAM to the CPU than Phenoms could, and then can deliver the result back to the memory faster as well. FYI: All CPUs spend most of their time "twiddling their thumbs" waiting for the next data set to be processed to be delivered. It does not matter whether a Phenom can crunch numbers slightly faster because it is standing around waiting more than the FX does.
Edited by Jagged_Steel - 7/15/12 at 11:59am
    
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I never said anything about Maxxmem performance,I only said PHII's can run faster ram as well which you seem to be in denial about. Like I said earlier,faster memory is not going to miraculously make an FX-4 perform as well as a 8150 or 960T.
I've never hard of anyone running 2133,though I recall seeing 1866 ram,anything more than that is pointless anyway unless you're running an Intel setup due to its uber fast IMC.
This is something I've been wondering as well,I'm wanting to jump on a Sabertooth 990FX,though am hesitant if there with be a 1xxx series with Piledriver.

Really? Hmmmm

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Wait, before you say it let me guess....."But but but, CPU-Z is lying.....it is I tell you". lachen.gif
Edited by Bubba Hotepp - 7/15/12 at 12:04pm
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can i add some,games run faster with better gpu's?
difference between fx and athlon running my 5850 is 5-6 fps.
and yes the athlon is very poor in benches compaired to fx too.
makes you wonder what the amazing difference is with intel dont it.
    
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I have news for you, HMG: Games run faster and smoother on FXs compared to Phenoms.
Part of this is because the FX CPU/NB can deliver more information stored in the RAM to the CPU than Phenoms could, and then can deliver the result back to the memory faster as well. FYI: All CPUs spend most of their time "twiddling their thumbs" waiting for the next data set to be processed to be delivered. It does not matter whether a Phenom can crunch numbers slightly faster because it is standing around waiting more than the FX does.
It is known that PHII's despite their slower IMC process data and run games better. Due to FX's longer pipelines, shared FP's and cache,and really small L1 cache,there are bottlenecks all over the place.
Latency matters too. Heck,my Thuban achieved 7ms lower,with a automatic XMP profile @ 8-8-8-24 1600 at stock CPU clock,with other programs running.
Proof of your FX 4100's getting higher & better average FPS than PHII?? Because I know there's proof that says otherwise a few pages back.
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can i add some,games run faster with better gpu's?
difference between fx and athlon running my 5850 is 5-6 fps.
and yes the athlon is very poor in benches compaired to fx too.
makes you wonder what the amazing difference is with intel dont it.

I had crossfire 5870 2gbs I was playing Fable 3 in mourningwood with my phenom II x6 1090T @ 4.0ghz getting 80FPS
FX 8120 I was getting 88FPS in mourningwood in the same exact spot.

so sad I fried one my 5870 frown.gif
    
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It is known that PHII's despite their slower IMC process data and run games better. Due to FX's longer pipelines, shared FP's and cache,and really small L1 cache,there are bottlenecks all over the place.
Latency matters too. Heck,my Thuban achieved 7ms lower,with a automatic XMP profile @ 8-8-8-24 1600 at stock CPU clock,with other programs running.
Proof of your FX 4100's getting higher & better average FPS than PHII?? Because I know there's proof that says otherwise a few pages back.

And again, the "proof" you speak of is poor "stock clock" reviews. Show me a benchmark showing the 4100 or 4170 at 4.6GHz vs the PHII 980 at even it's "Max" OC.
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This is "known" to whom exactly, HMG? Feel free to post the proof of these wild claims at any time. I have run both Phenom and FX and I can tell you that without a doubt the FX is far and away the superior Gaming CPU.
    
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