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not sure on where my system stands but here is my benchmark....what you guy think?

Looks about right at 4ghz.
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Looks about right at 4ghz.

well i have a 4100 chip too, would it be better than the 8120 for gaming? i have seen some charts saying so....
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Hi everyone, thumb.gif

Need a opinion from you guys, since anywhere I ask I only get intel fan boys...
Ok I need a new desktop for my house, for maya and autocad, and also gaming biggrin.gif

Should I wait for Piledriver (do you guys know when it's coming out?) or should I buy a fx8120 or 8150 and overclock to 5ghz?

On another thread people said that I'll see a major fps difference around 20-30 against the i5-2500K , and it will bottleneck the two gtx 660 I plan to get.

What's your opinon?

Many thanks everyone for the help . biggrin.gif


1. Do you already have an AM3+ board?
2. Will Maya and Autocad take advantage of the 8 cores? I have no idea.
3. There is no guarantee you will get an overclock of 5ghz. Are you going to liquid cool?
4. Not sure if it will bottleneck or not
5. Piledriver is not out so we can't really answer if its worth the wait or not. If you can wait I would wait.
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post #5404 of 8112
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1. Do you already have an AM3+ board?
2. Will Maya and Autocad take advantage of the 8 cores? I have no idea.
3. There is no guarantee you will get an overclock of 5ghz. Are you going to liquid cool?
4. Not sure if it will bottleneck or not
5. Piledriver is not out so we can't really answer if its worth the wait or not. If you can wait I would wait.

i agree, there is no way you will reach 5ghz on air. its a 125W chip so it needs to be liquid cooled. go a step up from the H60, that should do the 5ghz trick.
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So you post graphs showing the opposite of what you are claiming is true, and somehow you imagine that I am failing? rolleyes.gif
You post makes zero sense. Read my post again. What I posted is that the PH II outperforms the FX4 in every way,then you change it entirely and say "oh look,the FX8 is on top,lulz Phenom II sux cuz it lost by less than 1 FPS,see?"


My own observation of PHII vs FX

I have a PHII X4 955 clocked @ 4ghz and I have a FX-6100 clocked @ 4ghz. If I disable 2 cores on my 6100 and make it essentially a FX-4100 I get about the same FPS in every game I have. I know the 955 core for core is better but I wonder if the fact that the FX can use 1866 memory if that evens it out on the games. The FX feels smoother to me not sure if this is due to memory or what. If I clock my PH II to 4.2ghz which is the max I can get with mine and clock my FX-6100 to 4.4ghz which is the max I can do on air then the FX seems to pull away more. The main difference I notice is the FX actually runs cooler and feels smoother. I still like my PHII also.
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Even with custom liquid cooling on the 8 core fx chips you have to get a good rad dual or triple with a good cpu block pump and fans and run single loop cpu only, i have my gtx 570s tri sli in my loop and anything over 4.7ghz requires a house fan with the side of my case open to keep temps nice and low, being that intel chips oc just as well with less power and heat and you can do it on air minus the whole extreme cooling set up its not really a toss up between the two if cost is you budget and you have a small case, but water cooling is nice and as long as piledriver takes less power when overclocked+ overclocks as well + if performance matches or exceeds that of a i7 2600k + and if i dont have to replace my motherboard since its a pain in the ass to take out it would be a win for me thumb.gif Not to say amd is not as good since i have too power hog systems with a fx 8150 and fx 8120 both using crosshair v motherboards, my point is its even building a 3770k is kind of waste its not really any better than the 2600k and no pci 3.0, if i were to build a new system i would go with the lga 2011 socket biggrin.gif
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well i have a 4100 chip too, would it be better than the 8120 for gaming? i have seen some charts saying so....

the fx-4100 has some advantages over the 81xx

1.Less cores means less power, and less heat. This means you should be able to reach higher frequencies with an equal cooler.
2.Most games don't use more then 4 cores, the only one i can think of off the top of my head is bf3, in games that use 4 cores, the fx-81xx or fx-61xx may perform better because it has 4 cores it can dedicate specifically to the game, and 2-4 extras for idle stuff. But for the most part, the fx-4100 will perform pretty equally with it's higher core counterparts at equal clocks.


So in my opinion, in most cases the fx-4100 overclocked by one with some knowledge will outperform the fx-81xx in gaming due to the fact you can reach higher clockspeeds (in most cases, not all chips are the same of course smile.gif )
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Thanks everyone, great help thumb.gif

Well I'm building from the ground up, so I don't have any limitations regarding boards, however I will use my haf x and my push pull H100, so I am not worried about temperatures biggrin.gif

I guess I'll go for intel, thought I would save some euros and get a amd system, but I am affraid of getting the fx 8150 and getting lag on games and such, because where I live, a fx8150 costs around 50€ less than a 2500K and amd boards are even less expensive.

Again thanks everyone for the help! thumb.gif

Edit: lots of posts appearing, going to read, sorry for reading and writing slow, I'm not natively english speaker and writer wink.gif
Edited by artic - 7/15/12 at 2:49pm
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post #5409 of 8112
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I have to entirely disagree with Heavy MG, owning several phenom chips my self there is a performance boost using the FX chips especially in multi card setups, in benchmarks and in gaming. But he does have a point regarding the intel systems, total cost for the intel is going to be cheaper than that of an amd chip, either phenom or fx and be faster since the intel chips run faster due to better silicon and coding, since there chip is better even with a cheap graphics card it performs well for single monitor setups
I will agree with you on that part,in SLI/CF there is an improvement but the bottleneck is still there vs an Intel rig,also by the time you invest that much into a system you may as well go for an Intel setup. I don't hate Bulldozer,it has great potential,hopefully Piledriver will show what BD was really supposed to be,but BD isn't the best thing to buy vs. others CPU's like some would think. In a single card setup,in benches & games I doubt you would see much of a difference aside from memory benchmarks especially if your system has faster ram.
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So you are ditching the "Phenoms are better than FX" malarkey and joining the "Intel Rulz" team.
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Not even,although an Intel setup is being more appealing as AMD falls farther and farther behind,I don't exactly count on PD to get them caught up either.
I'm more so part of the Phenom II's are still equal to or in some cases better than FX club.
All I'm saying is that an FX-8 isn't worth it unless you have a use for all 8 cores, are on a tighter budget and can't afford Intel's overpriced motherboards when you don't live near a Fry's or MC.
If you want something to get you through until PD is out,want to OC, and don't want Intel then sure get an FX-4170.
EDIT- Lol,just spotted JF-AMD in the AMD section.
Edited by Heavy MG - 7/15/12 at 3:08pm
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Ok read everything biggrin.gif

I probably didn't explain myself well, I wish not to cause a intel vs amd war wink.gif

I need a strong computer because I do rendering in autocad for my part time job, and something to game well, but nothing super hyper, I'm not trying to create a 150fps gaming rig, just something that will play around 60 fps some games I like, like crysis mass effect etc.. With high quality biggrin.gif

My budget is around 900€

I already have a haf x, and a h100,and a hx850 w corsair.

I'm going to get two gtx 660 when they come out early august.
I was considering getting a sabertooth, and a fx8120 or since I read everyones posts, a fx 6100, and overclock it, let's say 4.0ghz

Edit: My budget is what I plan in max to buy the pc, and it's true with it I could buy a good intel cpu and motherboard, but I also would like to not spend all my budget biggrin.gif
Edited by artic - 7/15/12 at 3:11pm
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