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I'd say yes. You can uninstall them through installed updates in case you don't want them. Install the bigger file first, then reboot. Install the second and you're good to go. smile.gif
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You will notice an improvement in mid level usage with the patch, single and full core utlization is mostly the same
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Is it possible for your cpu temp to go up and your core temps to stay the same or may this be a glitch. I was talking to my son who is at home with my pc that is running IBT and the CPU temp seems to have spiked at some point but the core temps never did. I mean my system is underwater and is running 50c-55c under max load, cores are at 43c-48c. My HWMONITAR says that max temp for cores is 48c and max temp for CPU is .... get this 117c. Is that possible? As far as I understand there was not a voltage spike 1.4 is max in HWMONITAR.
Will post Screen Shot when I return home.
Edited by OptimalOvrclock - 7/25/12 at 7:05pm
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somethings got to be wrong with the cpu socket thermal, no way that could be still running what motherboard does he have what voltage and speed is the cpu running at
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The "CPU Temp" is NOT the "Socket thermistor". CPU temp = Tcase, the reading taken by averaging the thermistors on the die package.
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somethings got to be wrong with the cpu socket thermal, no way that could be still running what motherboard does he have what voltage and speed is the cpu running at

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post #5827 of 8112
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The "CPU Temp" is NOT the "Socket thermistor". CPU temp = Tcase, the reading taken by averaging the thermistors on the die package.
Really, thanks for the lesson nerdsmiley.png , anyways you must have had an error or something that Bubba Spraks here sad is perhaps not working right anymore, due some testing and see if it happens again, i am not sure if this will effect performance or anything at all Ask the socket professor Bubba Hotepp perhaps he might know something on this matter nerdsmiley.png:
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The "CPU Temp" is NOT the "Socket thermistor". CPU temp = Tcase, the reading taken by averaging the thermistors on the die package.
So it is possible for your CPU temp to rise to 117c and your cores register 48c?
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So it is possible for your CPU temp to rise to 117c and your cores register 48c?

No it is a sensor, or software error.
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No it is a sensor, or software error.

^ more than likely a software glitch.

I've gone over thise multiple times but here it is again -

TCase = The "on package" (below the die, above the pins on the package) thermistors that are averaged out to give a "TCase" reading. Which is why all of the thermal data sheets downloadable from AMD list "TCase Max" = 61C (for the 8150 etc. and other limits for other specific CPU's).

TCore = The individual "core" temps which are taken by using a "formula" and the nearest TCase thermistors to that particular "core" and calculating the temperature (a "guestimate" in other words).

TJunction = The temperature where the pins hit the MB (i.e. the "socket" thermistors) (note - TJunction is different on an Intel CPU & MB)
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Dear Stephen,

Your service request : SR #{ticketno:[8200488157]} has been reviewed and updated.

Response and Service Request History:

You pretty much nailed it. I was able to get a little more info from the embedded team into borderline-proprietary information, so I'll try to elaborate on what you understood. TCase for AMD processors comes from a few thermistors (not one, apparently, just found that out) inside the processor case (at the bottom, where the pins are), connecting down to the CPU via the Junction. There are always more than 1 (at least 2, up to 6-8 potentially, but no elaboration given on how many per model), but the TCase temperature is determined by averaging those values out, done by the processor. TJunction is the temperature where the pins hit the board, and is usually a couple degrees cooler as all 940/941 pins aren't all firing at the same exact time, and not always evenly distributed when only 400 are on at one time.
TCore is actually mathematically guessed based on the varying TCase values, as there is no way to get a diode on top of the cores inside the processor, and putting it underneath the cores (between the bottom of the case and the bottom of the cores, which hover on a little silicon platform) would yield an inaccurate reading. As such, optimizing the core space on the wafers by keeping thermistors off, they just mathematically extrapolate the core temperature from the TCase values, based on core location on the processor and the values retrieved in that general area, plus some mathematical calculations.
TJunction is still a diode on the board, under the processor, which most boards still have, just in case the TCase values (or TJunction value given by Intel processors) are wrong for whatever reason. Though in some cases, TJunction can be off by as much as 20F, so it's obviously not an ideal value. Still, there are a lot of board manufacturers who will still include it, regardless of how necessary, because it's how they've always done things, and if there are problems with new processors or broken thermistors, they can still report a temperature, even if it's not the most accurate.

Sorry for the misinformation about the cores, I really had to get the embedded guys to give a little to get some information confirmation, including the number of thermistors in the case and where this coretemp comes from. A coworker summarized it well by saying that it's so tough trying to get confirmed information, because you get different reports from 3rd parties, and the actual designers/manufacturers want to keep as much information secret as possible. Sorry that this still isn't 100% concrete, but they finally gave in a bit and gave me a bit more information to work with this time, so now you (and I) have a clearer definition at least of what's going on temperature-wise.

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Edited by Bubba Hotepp - 7/25/12 at 11:33pm
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