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Hey, I own and FX-8150, and with all the hubbub about the new Trinity APUs especially since the PS4 announcement I was wondering how well do they stack up to the Bulldozer/Piledrivers? This has probably come up before I'm sure but I haven't found it on these forums, and so I came here. This is probably a dumb question to be honest, but I still wan't to know.

Well, the A10-5800k is a two module (so four cores) chip with no L3 cache but a reasonably good on-die GPU (aka IGP).

Bulldozer / Piledriver chips range from two to four modules (so up to eight cores) and a smack of L3 cache memory and no IGP.

Those are the main differences.

I've read up on the coming PS4, and while they are going to use AMD chips, nowhere could I find which one. Only that it's eight coe and has good graphics.

Which rules out the A10, since that a four core part.

So it must be a custom solution. I'm no hardware designer, so wouldn't even know if it's possible, but just take two A10 chips and you get the 8 cores mentioned + 2 x the decent IGP of the APU (2 x 384 GCN cores = comparable to a good mainstream card). Add to that the 8GB of GDDR5 mentioned and you've got a very, very decent system!

Especially considering the major advantage console games have over pc games: they can be programmed to take advantage of a fixed configuration of hardware to the max instead of making sure it's compatible with different hardware/software configurations.
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Ia m just hoping now it is worth the swap, from reading the forums its supposed to be an improvement so here is hoping for better gpu useage across my two cards when it arrives. Hopefully it will surpass my fx8120 overclock@4.7 247 with less or similar vcore and decent temps.

I would guess you should have no problem to hit 5.0ghz with the new one thumb.gif
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Well, the A10-5800k is a two module (so four cores) chip with no L3 cache but a reasonably good on-die GPU (aka IGP).

Bulldozer / Piledriver chips range from two to four modules (so up to eight cores) and a smack of L3 cache memory and no IGP.

Those are the main differences.

I've read up on the coming PS4, and while they are going to use AMD chips, nowhere could I find which one. Only that it's eight coe and has good graphics.

Which rules out the A10, since that a four core part.

So it must be a custom solution. I'm no hardware designer, so wouldn't even know if it's possible, but just take two A10 chips and you get the 8 cores mentioned + 2 x the decent IGP of the APU (2 x 384 GCN cores = comparable to a good mainstream card). Add to that the 8GB of GDDR5 mentioned and you've got a very, very decent system!

Especially considering the major advantage console games have over pc games: they can be programmed to take advantage of a fixed configuration of hardware to the max instead of making sure it's compatible with different hardware/software configurations.

Thanks for the breakdown, this is interesting I just wish there were benchmarks out comparing the two just to see it pushed to the limit.
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Thanks for the breakdown, this is interesting I just wish there were benchmarks out comparing the two just to see it pushed to the limit.

For FX vs. A series there are some things:

AMD A10-5800K (Trinity) and FX-8350 (Vishera) Joint CPU Review
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/5063/amd_a10_5800k_trinity_and_fx_8350_vishera_joint_cpu_review/index.html#Bx0b2KmRdArpHCZM.99
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Could you please have a look at this thread?

http://www.overclock.net/t/1365853/is-my-amd-fx6300-batch-good/0_40
     
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Swapped out my fx8120 today for an fx8320. Had an interesting day overclocking and have finalised it @5ghz. Very happy with this cpu over my fx8120, Its a different league.
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8120 vs 8320 = meh in my book. The difference isn't very big.

I've avoided the upgrade itch so far, and don't plan on swapping out my Bulldozer for a Piledriver. I plan to go from Bulldozer to Steamroller.
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When is Steamroller set to...roll?
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8120 vs 8320 = meh in my book. The difference isn't very big.

I've avoided the upgrade itch so far, and don't plan on swapping out my Bulldozer for a Piledriver. I plan to go from Bulldozer to Steamroller.

I do not agree, my fx8320@5ghz wipes the floor with the fx8120@4.7

4.7 was the max clock before thermal instability at 55c or above. No instability on the fx8320 at much higher vcore and much higher clock. Gaming fps and gpu utilisation between the two with my crossfire is massive. Minimums of 50% across both cards on such as bf3 armoured shield on the fx8120, minimums of high 70% utilisation with the fx8320 but avg 99% constant use. Dirt showdown bench minimum frames of 20 more with the piledriver over my dozer

fx8120@4.7 vantage - http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/4361074

fx8320@5ghz vantage - http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/4603275

Making the swap is the best £100 i have ever spent on a component, when i sell the 8120 maybe cost me £30 max for the upgrade, and it is definitely an upgrade

58c max temp@1.58 vcore after 20 passes of IBt on high settings, the fx8120 would get nowhere near that, 59c @ 4.7 with only 1.48 vcore under exactly the same water system

I have been maybe lucky with this chip though, i only know of one other 5ghz stable 8320 oc on ocn, a mod on another vishera thread
Edited by Ghost12 - 3/1/13 at 6:05pm
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When is Steamroller set to...roll?

late 2013/ early 2014 is rumored.

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I do not agree, my fx8320@5ghz wipes the floor with the fx8120@4.7

4.7 was the max clock before thermal instability at 55c or above. No instability on the fx8320 at much higher vcore and much higher clock. Gaming fps and gpu utilisation between the two with my crossfire is massive. Minimums of 50% across both cards on such as bf3 armoured shield on the fx8120, minimums of high 70% utilisation with the fx8320 but avg 99% constant use. Dirt showdown bench minimum frames of 20 more with the piledriver over my dozer

fx8120@4.7 vantage - http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/4361074

fx8320@5ghz vantage - http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/4603275

Making the swap is the best £100 i have ever spent on a component, when i sell the 8120 maybe cost me £30 max for the upgrade, and it is definitely an upgrade

58c max temp@1.58 vcore after 20 passes of IBt on high settings, the fx8120 would get nowhere near that, 59c @ 4.7 with only 1.48 vcore under exactly the same water system

I have been maybe lucky with this chip though, i only know of one other 5ghz stable 8320 oc on ocn, a mod on another vishera thread

my 8120 runs at 4.945ghz. for starters and doesn't go above 42c full load. with 1.45 vcore. I understand piledriver runs cooler than Bulldozer. Heat is not a issue in my case as I'm under a custom water loop. To swap out the 8120 with a 8320 would be a small upgrade, and only if i could reach the same clock speed as my 8120. Most of your gains came from clock speed increases not because piledriver is that much better than bulldozer. Remember it only has an average 7% increase in IPC. A buddy of mine has the 8350 and I put it in my computer for a day cause he wanted to see how high it would go under my cooling. I was able to get 5.1ghz and compared it to my 8120 at 4.945ghz and the difference to me isn't worth it.
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