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Originally Posted by t.herrod View Post
Phenom keeps up because of the FPU, the x6 especially due to it having six.
The FX-8150 only has four.. they really should have thought it through, yeah rendering is great because of all the integers just it should've, and could've been better.
PIII, for the love of tea.
thubans have 6x128bit fpu
bulldozer has 8x128bit or 4x256
add the higher clock speed and theoretically you should have more floating point performance.. somewhere along the long, long looong pipe tho it borks up

p4 anybody?
post #22 of 29
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Originally Posted by hazarada View Post
thubans have 6x128bit fpu
bulldozer has 8x128bit or 4x256
add the higher clock speed and theoretically you should have more floating point performance.. somewhere along the long, long looong pipe tho it borks up
Just want to show you this.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...fx,3043-5.html
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Two Cores, One FPU

The shared floating-point unit is separate from the integer pipelines.
I see your point about the pipeline, there's something definitely wrong there.

You wouldn't think they'd put less of something necessary in a newer architecture unless it was viewed as obsolete, which it isn't yet.
Edited by t.herrod - 10/13/11 at 4:13am
    
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I dont want a PH II with 8 cores, I want a PH II with the same damn six cores and a die shrink to cut TDP. I am sure you will get much better OC's with that, and AMD will have something to sell.
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I dont want a PH II with 8 cores, I want a PH II with the same damn six cores and a die shrink to cut TDP. I am sure you will get much better OC's with that, and AMD will have something to sell.
Aren't they coming out with an improved version of BD in a few months? Like a 10% performance gain I believe. I read that some where.
    
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I wouldn't mind seeing further revised Thuban silicon. 4.0 stock clocks, goes into the 5ghz range. 6 core to boot.
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Aren't they coming out with an improved version of BD in a few months? Like a 10% performance gain I believe. I read that some where.
10% wouldn't save them, 20% would just about do it and 30% - well then we'd have something to talk about
post #27 of 29
AMD should have Shrunk the Deneb die to 32nm and just called the phenom III and released it last year.

5Ghz Phenom III anyone?
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Great idea just take the best from BD and the best from the Phenoms and bam a great cpu. Sounds easy rite but its most likely not.
That's what Intel had to do. Their current processors stemmed from a development effort that reworked a Pentium III core and put it on a Pentium 4 bus protocol. Remember Banias, the original Pentium M? They were originally going to just use it in laptops, and then they realized it blew the doors off the P4, so they took Banias' successor and turned it into the Core Duo.

Bulldozer is going to make hay in the server market, but they need to get the IPC and clock speeds up if they're going to succeed with this architecture on the consumer market. This is reminding me so much of the Pentium 4 when it launched, and I'm surprised AMD went down this road. They'd have been better off selling Bulldozer as an Opteron, and coming out with faster Phenom II's until Global Foundries can make a faster BD.
     
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post #29 of 29
the additional cores and clock speed is completely negated by the horrible IPC, BD opterons are just as pointless as the desktop chips
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