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Originally Posted by toX0rz View Post
source: http://www.computerbase.de/news/2011...er-nachfolger/

Translated: http://translate.google.de/translate...ger%2F&act=url

If this turns out to be true, AMD will never catch up again. With a 10-15% performance increase each year, they will most likely reach SB performance in 2012 and Gulftown performance in 2013-2014 and we all know SB-E is just around the corner and is going to boost performance by 40-50% compared to the 2600k (in terms of the 3960X 6-core).
And I didnt even mention Ivy-Bridge.. doesn't look good AMD.
Interesting.

I was having a discussion about faildozer with a friend and we basically came to these conclusions:
1) They shouldn't have released it for desktop
2) Bulldozer should have been for servers and maybe APUs
3) They should have done a die shrink on thuban and slapped more cores and maybe some more cache on them
4) They should have released a matured architecture in 2012 with Piledriver

What do you guys think?
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Yeah, they should've kept Bulldozer server only. Making a 32nm Thuban with more L2 cache probably would've been better for desktop and probably cheaper to make (less transistors). But BD shouldn't be put in APU, the typical APU workload is very similar to desktop, so using Bobcat cores makes sense.
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post #23 of 125
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Yeah, they should've kept Bulldozer server only. Making a 32nm Thuban with more L2 cache probably would've been better for desktop and probably cheaper to make (less transistors). But BD shouldn't be put in APU, the typical APU workload is very similar to desktop, so using Bobcat cores makes sense.
Phenom III anyone?
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Originally Posted by gooface View Post
Phenom II anyone? I mean Bulldozer II, sorry....it reminds me when the Phenom I flopped... Round II saved them. its 2007 all over again...
Except this time its not going to save them at all. 10-15%? Thats almost nothing, sadly.
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post #25 of 125
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Originally Posted by gooface View Post
Phenom II anyone? I mean Bulldozer II, sorry....it reminds me when the Phenom I flopped... Round II saved them. its 2007 all over again...
Looks like.

First phenoms not only performed like crap, but they also had bugged silicons.


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post #26 of 125
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Phenom III anyone?
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post #27 of 125
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Originally Posted by Oedipus View Post
At this point, expecting even a 10-15 annual percent improvement from them would be a colossal stretch. I wish that wasn't the case.
Good point. It took how many years to go from Phenom II architecture to the now Bulldozer. And its a set back in many ways not an increase.
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Interesting.

I was having a discussion about faildozer with a friend and we basically came to these conclusions:
1) They shouldn't have released it for desktop
2) Bulldozer should have been for servers and maybe APUs
3) They should have done a die shrink on thuban and slapped more cores and maybe some more cache on them
4) They should have released a matured architecture in 2012 with Piledriver

What do you guys think?
More cores wouldn't help them.

In benches, it is only under heavy multi-threading that BD 8150 trades punches with 2600K under OC. Under single threaded, it trades punches with the chip it is supposed to replace, the 1100T. AMD needs to fix their single-threaded performance.

BD is scalable, so they can pack more cores on if they want...problem being is that the problem is not a lack of cores that makes BD slow.
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i have such a bad taste in my mouth now because of BD...im glad i held off on building a new rig....

i have been a fanboy of AMD's for so long, but BD just seems to be another Phenom 1...which i stilll have my Phenom 920 laying around in my little brothers computer....poor thing...all hype...

My 1075T keeps up with BD on a lot of benches....with only slightly performance behind the NEW AND AMAZING BD? come on AMD what are you doing....I was gonna hold off till the 10 core's next year but man...this is just stupid...

its like they tried to take a server processor, release it to people and say "ITS GONNA BE BETTER RAWR!" and all that happened is they made something that draws more power, doesnt have any real desktop use and buisness based use for this will be over looked because as someone that works in the IT field, power is important numbers at the end of the month....so i dont even think it could compete in the server market...MAYBE
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Yes AMD, go make me another CPU with 10 cores, which I wont even use a fraction of. While you're at it why not start developing the next gen with 12 cores?

Jesus, when will they realise that more cores does not = more performance. Higher perf/core is, and thats where Intel excels and thrashes the AMD chips through and through. If an i3 2100 can keep up with the flagship AMD chips in some areas, you know they have failed. Theres practically no reason for anyone to get an AMD CPU build now.
    
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