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Hey now, AMD actually has a good cpu build. All they need to do is:
Increase the IPC- A LOT
Increase the power efficiency- A LOT
Decrease overall suckiness- Oh god, not even going there.
    
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Originally Posted by kenolak View Post
I'm currently is disgust. Not for amd's release(which is still great to me), but to people's nonacceptance.

How dare AMD ( a company that just bought ATI a graphics card company ) make CPU's that are more easily adapted to handle anything graphics related.
I mean gosh, no one has ever complained about intel's integrated graphics....
How dare AMD use a new architecture to get money to support their R&D not like their competition has outrageously overpriced CPUs EVER....

Seriously....

How dare anyone try to make something that will actually perform better whole round in the coming years, than something that meets your insane demands of a cpu so that you can have the bigger e-peen on benchmarks and gain no real world improvements.

I'm drunk right now. To me, anyone complaining about AMD seems to not realize the mass marketing of two decades of intel, and how AMD is now copying them, while lurking... Not saying the current BD is BETTER "IPC" and certain benchmarks, but the ones they care about, are better. BD structure outperforms anything intel has to offer as an all in one solution.
Granted, many people see a need for having 3 FPS in a game they play once a day/week. I mean, who ever heard of gaming at 100 FPS vs 105!!!!!! I better support the top guys and not any sort of competition that doesn't even use their own fab labs god the ghosting on my 60hz lcd screen is so horrible at 100FPS it makes me look like a noob!1111111







Thanks for anyone who read my rant, and actually gets any of it.
I detect... SARCASM
    
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Originally Posted by toX0rz View Post
source: http://www.computerbase.de/news/2011...er-nachfolger/

Translated: http://translate.google.de/translate...ger%2F&act=url

If this turns out to be true, AMD will never catch up again. With a 10-15% performance increase each year, they will most likely reach SB performance in 2012 and Gulftown performance in 2013-2014 and we all know SB-E is just around the corner and is going to boost performance by 40-50% compared to the 2600k (in terms of the 3960X 6-core).
And I didnt even mention Ivy-Bridge.. doesn't look good AMD.
thats a load of crap, sb-e is more likely 10 to 15 percent increase from some of the news article popping up.
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thats a load of crap, sb-e is more likely 10 to 15 percent increase from some of the news article popping up.
Over what?

SB-E against Gulftown looks something like this:

Clockspeed = 5 GHz vs 4.4 GHz with similar cooling equipment.
IPC = 15-20% improved

Totals: 1.15 x 1.14 = 1.31 or 1.2 x 1.14 = 1.37

So SB-E will be roughly 31 to 37% quicker than Gulftown once all is said and done.

This doesn't take into account the VASTLY improved RAM speeds on the X79 chipset. Nearly double that of X58.
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a 45 percent improvement over say an i5 2500k is overstating it
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Bulldozer will excel in folding and that's all that matters to me.
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Bulldozer will excel in folding and that's all that matters to me.
No it doesn't.

"36.51 TPF @ 3%. Sorry guys" -elgappo, OCN benchmark editor w/ an 8150 in his sig rig.

Also keep in mind BD uses almost 50% more power than Sandy, and performance per watt is what really matters with folding.
Edited by mechtech - 10/13/11 at 5:25am
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**Note To OCN: Not Trying To Be Fanboy**


With the levels of performance we are seeing in AMD's Bulldozer lineup, and the projected 10-15% with every new CPU, I believe that they are doing a great job. I say this because while the 8-Core Bulldozer is about 20% slower than a 2600k, it is only $219, whereas the 2600k at launch was $329. Personally, if I was just an average overclocker, looking for best performance for the price, I think I'd take the Bulldozer. Yes, it may not be the most powerful CPU, but it has 8 cores, can hit 5GHz, and is not in the $500+ range.

We also see this kind of marketing (mediocre performance, awesome price) from AMD in the energy efficient computing market. LLano has been a major success, and even I am currently typing this on my E-350 HTPC, drawing about 30 watts. It may not be the fastest HTPC CPU out there, but I paid about $100 for, essentially, a motherboard, an E-350 CPU, and an integrated HD 6310!


TL;DR - I think Intel should focus on the enthusiast market while AMD should work on the Laptop/HTPC/Eco-Friendly market, but still make CPUs like Bulldozer that allow good performance for an awesome price.
    
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**Note To OCN: Not Trying To Be Fanboy**


With the levels of performance we are seeing in AMD's Bulldozer lineup, and the projected 10-15% with every new CPU, I believe that they are doing a great job. I say this because while the 8-Core Bulldozer is about 20% slower than a 2600k, it is only $219, whereas the 2600k at launch was $329. Personally, if I was just an average overclocker, looking for best performance for the price, I think I'd take the Bulldozer. Yes, it may not be the most powerful CPU, but it has 8 cores, can hit 5GHz, and is not in the $500+ range.

We also see this kind of marketing (mediocre performance, awesome price) from AMD in the energy efficient computing market. LLano has been a major success, and even I am currently typing this on my E-350 HTPC, drawing about 30 watts. It may not be the fastest HTPC CPU out there, but I paid about $100 for, essentially, a motherboard, an E-350 CPU, and an integrated HD 6310!


TL;DR - I think Intel should focus on the enthusiast market while AMD should work on the Laptop/HTPC/Eco-Friendly market, but still make CPUs like Bulldozer that allow good performance for an awesome price.
i dont think that with current level of BD performance u would trade your 2600k for a FX8150, would you? i agree amd did extremely well with their fusion chips but it makes it even more strange how could they manage to fail so hard with their "first native 8-core cpu", cause we all know that AMD can do much much better than this.
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i dont think that with current level of BD performance u would trade your 2600k for a FX8150, would you? i agree amd did extremely well with their fusion chips but it makes it even more strange how could they manage to fail so hard with their "first native 8-core cpu", cause we all know that AMD can do much much better than this.
Of course I wouldn't trade! But I guess I was saying that the FX8150 is a mediocre 8-Core, and it's cheap. So maybe it could be aimed at businesses or 3D Animators who need the cores, but not necessarily the full performance of the 2600k.

I do fully agree with you though, that AMD should of, at least, blown away Sandy Bridge. I think that the low prices were just AMD's last minute reaction to Bulldozer's below average performance, I don't think these prices were planned.
    
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