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Originally Posted by reflex99;15273278 
you are reading graphs wrong.....

it doesn't take 500w just for the proc....

that is total system consumption...

by your reasoning a 2600k uses something like 300w?

Nah I was going by the 800 from the wall that was reported with a 460.

460's use about 175 watts at stock.

power.jpg

So another 500 on top of the 500 the cpu+board was drawing before the graphics card was added...

I'm just concerned, I'm not saying you'd go over, I just think you should consider the possibility of easily surpassing 1300 watts at the wall under full load.
    
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Originally Posted by BallaTheFeared;15273326 
Nah I was going by the 800 from the wall that was reported with a 460.

460's use about 175 watts at stock.

power.jpg

So another 500 on top of the 500 the cpu+board was drawing before the graphics card was added...

I'm just concerned, I'm not saying you'd go over, I just think you should consider the possibility of easily surpassing 1300 watts at the wall under full load.

we shall see.....

I should put this in my sig so when i get a second 6950 for BF3, i can see what happens.

i like clutterless sig tho
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No Bulldozer test shows board+CPU drawing 500w. They show the entire system, albeit with a load just on the CPU, pulling just over 500w at the wall, with a very high OCs, and likely more voltage than is required.

Power consumption at the wall is going to be a good 15% higher than the load on the PSU itself, and any OC that cause the CPU itself to consume more than 300w is not going to be usable with any air cooler, or any WC loop with just 1x120mm radiator.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blameless;15273316 

It's not faster than a BD at ~4.5GHz.

do you have the money to afford the energy costs?.
it's way more inefficient than a phenom and an intel cpu, i gathered that yesterday frown.gif omg, AMD better shape up, im literally on the edge of buying ticket to america and raging at them.
    
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It's not faster than a BD at ~4.5GHz.
The i3-540 is much faster than Phenom II clock for clock so a 4.2 ghz i3-540 would be faster than a 4.5ghz BD.
    
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Quote:
Originally Posted by scotty453;15273358 
do you have the money to afford the energy costs?

Another 100-150w for a several hours a day isn't going to cost much most places.
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Originally Posted by MinitroN;15273378 
The i3-540 is much faster than Phenom II clock for clock so a 4.2 ghz i3-540 would be faster than a 4.5ghz BD.

In all probability that is true, but it's also not the CPU we were originally talking about.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blameless;15273414 
Another 100-150w for a several hours a day isn't going to cost much most places.



In all probability that is true, but it's also not the CPU we were originally talking about.
>50W is where we actually see a difference in bills and such. Beyond that, there's also the extra heat to consider which is definitely a big deal.

The i3-2100 will probably perform similarly to the BD at 4.5ghz but costs less and requires no time or effort put into stabilizing and overclock. Plus the power issue as mentioned above.
    
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No Bulldozer test shows board+CPU drawing 500w. They show the entire system, albeit with a load just on the CPU, pulling just over 500w at the wall, with a very high OCs, and likely more voltage than is required.

Power consumption at the wall is going to be a good 15% higher than the load on the PSU itself, and any OC that cause the CPU itself to consume more than 300w is not going to be usable with any air cooler, or any WC loop with just 1x120mm radiator.

4.6GHz is "very high"?

It's only 100Mhz higher than my 1090T ran, which was probably faster than the bulldozer chip at those clocks.

Bulldozer scales poorly with cores, poorly with MHz, and poorly in power draw.

Most people here wouldn't stop at 4.6GHz, they'd go until they were limited either by voltage, or heat. Which may be into the 5GHz+ range, where the performance gains will be minimal, but the power draw will be exponential.
    
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A few dozen KWh per month is only a few dollars a month...almost completely trivial.

It's been more than 16 years since I've run a processor at stock for any length of time. Half the reason I would even get a Bulldozer is to have some first hand experience OCing a new architecture.

Not saying BD would be my first choice for a gaming build, but the quad and hex cores aren't as much of a disaster for even that use as people are making them out to be, and I can't imagine getting an i3-2100 over any number of other chips.

Regardless, a 4350 is going in my BD setup, and outside of benching for curiosities sake, I doubt I will ever play a game on the system. I have a 2600k, a 970, and a half dozen other better gaming systems.
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Originally Posted by Blameless;15273518 
A few dozen KWh per month is only a few dollars a month...almost completely trivial.

It's been more than 16 years since I've run a processor at stock for any length of time. Half the reason I would even get a Bulldozer is to have some first hand experience OCing a new architecture.

Not saying BD would be my first choice for a gaming build, but the quad and hex cores aren't as much of a disaster for even that use as people are making them out to be, and I can't imagine getting an i3-2100 over any number of other chips.

Regardless, a 4350 is going in my BD setup, and outside of benching for curiosities sake, I doubt I will ever play a game on the system. I have a 2600k, a 970, and a half dozen other better gaming systems.
Okay.... cool story bro.

The i3-2100 is a better choice than anything from AMD for gaming at any price.
    
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