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You are looking at stock performance, so no, your end of story doesn't tell a story at all.
Here's your homework for tonight Blameless: Pick a site, compare a Phenom II x4 980 (3.7GHz Quad-Core) to an i3-2120 (3.3GHz Dual-Core), and post the gaming benchmarks for us here.
Edited by jlells01 - 10/12/11 at 2:27am
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Every fact and every benchmark you have posted supports everything I have been saying.

These benches show 3.5 to 3.8GHz Phenom IIs more or less matching the Core i3-2100 or even 2120.

My 955BE is running at 4.1GHz, which is a farily conservative OC. Even if I limited myself to the stock cooler, I'd still be at 3.8GHz.

You cannot run a i3-2100/2120 at much more than stock because it's locked, has no turbo, and because SB doesn't support much more than a 5MHz bump on BCLK before things start to go wrong.

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Here's your homework for tonight Blameless: Pick a site, compare a Phenom II x4 980 (3.7GHz Quad-Core) to an i3-2120 (3.3GHz Dual-Core), and post the gaming benchmarks for us here.
You already posted the benches, and they make my point for me.
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the 8150 needs to be $200 or less.
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more or less


If up to 20% in some games is considered your "more of less".

Does it ever occur to you, for just one second, that you're even comparing an overclocked quad-core to a stock dual-core...and then saying the quad is a better performing CPU? Wow...
Edited by jlells01 - 10/12/11 at 2:35am
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Depends on what you are using it for.

Gaming? 50% off.

Archival, cryptography, and encoding,...it's probably fine where it is.
My thoughts exactly.
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If up to 20% in some games is considered your "more of less".
Overall, a 4GHz+ Deneb quad is faster than a 3.1GHz Sandy Bridge dual in gaming. Not in every single gaming scenario, but the majority.

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Does it ever occur to you, for just one second, that you're even comparing an overclocked quad-core to a stock dual-core...and then saying the quad is a better performing CPU? Wow...
I'm comparing dollar for dollar performance. Number of cores and rated TDP are immaterial. Both the i3-2100 and the 955BE cost the same.

I never once said IPC was better.

I never once said per-core performance was better.

I said that a 120 dollar chips that performs overall better than another 120 dollar chip is a better deal.
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performs overall better
Drop the delusions of grandeur (stop substituting your opinion for data) and post gaming benchmarks that support such a notion.

Lets see an overclocked, quad-core X4 vs. the stock dual-core i3 2120.

(Hint: I've already found them; doesn't look good for your opinion.)

Still amazes me that you think a highly-overclocked quad-core running aftermarket cooling is somehow a better performing CPU.
Edited by jlells01 - 10/12/11 at 2:49am
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Overall, a 4GHz+ Deneb quad is faster than a 3.1GHz Sandy Bridge dual in gaming. Not in every single gaming scenario, but the majority.



I'm comparing dollar for dollar performance. Number of cores and rated TDP are immaterial. Both the i3-2100 and the 955BE cost the same.

I never once said IPC was better.

I never once said per-core performance was better.

I said that a 120 dollar chips that performs overall better than another 120 dollar chip is a better deal.
Do you even look at the benchmark he linked?

Did you include the cost of a CPU cooler and more expensive motherboard you will need to get to 4.0ghz? A decent H61 costs $50.
    
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About $120-$150 for the 8150. No, seriously. It underperforms to the 2500K by about 20-30%, and uses nearly double the wattage. It's practically inferior to first gen Core i5.
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Drop the delusions of grandeur (stop substituting your opinion for data)
Not what delusions of grandeur are.

Regardless I'm not injecting my opinion into anything. You either cannot comprehend the data you have, or cannot do basic arithmetic.

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Lets see an overclocked, quad-core X4 vs. the stock dual-core i3 2120.

(Hint: I've already found them; doesn't look good for AMD...)
My entire point is that you cannot overclock the i3.

If you could, it would destroy the Phenom, but because you can't, it doesn't.

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Do you even look at the benchmark he linked?
Indeed I have. This is not the first time I've seen them either.

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Did you include the cost of a CPU cooler and more expensive motherboard you will need to get to 4.0ghz? A decent H61 costs $50.
You don't need a more expensive motherboard to reach 4GHz.

My GA-MA770T-UD3 was 80 dollars and my GA-970A-UD3 was 100. Both of them are 8+2 phase and quite capable of taking most any Phenom II, even an X6 to 4GHz and beyond. I could probably have gone cheaper for just a quad.

Also, even 3.8GHz+ is within reach of the stock cooler. The BEs come with a fairly respectable heatsink.
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