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Hey guys, just a quick one regarding one of my hard drives that's been bugging me a little since I put it in my system.

Simply put, my Samsung HD103SJ 1TB drive which I'm using for documents seems to take forever to start up, to the extent where if I click the drive icon or open a file stored on it, I have to wait ~15 seconds for the disk to start spinning and then open the file.

To add, a few minutes ago after booting up my PC, pretty much everything locked up after I tried to open WMP, to which I then tried to open the drive from My Computer but was left with the green bar going across the top for around a minute before I just restarted the machine.

Now the drive is one I got from my brother around 2 months ago (I'm not too sure when he bought it) but even from my experience with my WD 5000AAKS (which is getting a bit old but accesses fine), this seems a really slow spin up.

Attached are some screens of HD Tune Pro which says things are fine, but was just wondering your guys opinions.

Thanks!
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Make sure in the power options you disable the option that turns your harddrives to sleep after a certain amount of time.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyph3r;15275004 
Make sure in the power options you disable the option that turns your harddrives to sleep after a certain amount of time.

Just checked this and it was already on 'Never' so I presume I changed this when I did the Windows re-install, thanks though!
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As a thought, could it be the possibility of the hard drive not getting enough power?

I have the three hard drives in my case running off one 3-connector sata power cable from the PSU, on which its also last in the loop of the SSD -> WD 500GB -> Samsung 1TB.
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There was an issue with the F3s and SATA3 controllers.

On my board I can't boot off of them properly with my F3. There is a firmware update to fix this issue. You might want to give that a try.
    
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Originally Posted by aksthem1;15276704 
There was an issue with the F3s and SATA3 controllers.

On my board I can't boot off of them properly with my F3. There is a firmware update to fix this issue. You might want to give that a try.

Thank dude, found this: http://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/faqView.do?b2b_bbs_msg_id=308

It doesn't say much about the update itself (firmware version etc) so I'm going to hope this is newer than what I have on here currently.

Also, two of the instructions (for me) are a bit vague...

2. Please connect Target HDD to Primary / Mast.
3. Booting the system to DOS mode by bootable media.(which with this F/W flash program).

If someone could elaborate please?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mect_aw;15274959 
Attached are some screens of HD Tune Pro which says things are fine, but was just wondering your guys opinions.

Something looks very wrong with that drive. 10 second spinup? Most 7200RPM drives are 2-6 seconds... 13ms access times at a 40GB short-stroke? I wonder what the access times look like if you test the entire drive?
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2. Please connect Target HDD to Primary / Mast.
3. Booting the system to DOS mode by bootable media.(which with this F/W flash program).

If someone could elaborate please?
You have to boot into a DOS environment. (direct hardware access - no Windows to mess things up) I believe this is what you need:
  1. http://www.mediafire.com/?q8yv4cco07as7qa
  2. A 2GB- Flashdrive
  3. 7-Zip (to unzip the files)

First you format the flashdrive. Then you fire up the HP Formatting tool. Format to FAT (I think?) rather than FAT32 or NTFS. The 7z file has some DOS boot files bundled with it, but they only work with FAT or FAT16. Then do it again, but set it to write the boot files to it.

After that go into My Computer and copy over the firmware crud to your flashdrive. Good, you're done the Windows part.

Leaving it plugged in, reboot, then go into your BIOS. You'll probably have to flip to IDE mode temporarily. Poke around until you find options to boot from USB. Once you've located the USB booting options, set it to boot off your flash drive. (Again in IDE mode - it makes flashing easier)

Save + restart, then let it fire up your flashdrive. Once you reach a DOS prompt, you'll have to use commands like dir to list files, exename.exe -? to get help info on how to flash, C: or E: or Z: to flip drive letters, cd to change dirs, etc.

Follow any instructions provided on how to flash your drive.

While in the DOS environment you can reboot by pressing Ctrl+Alt+Delete - but don't do that while flashing.

Once complete, reboot. Undo all the BIOS changes and turn AHCI mode back on. Disconnect your flash drive and then fire up your OS.

Edit: Something seems off with your drive. Don't blame me if it doesn't work properly. tongue.gif
     
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kramy;15289858 
Something looks very wrong with that drive. 10 second spinup? Most 7200RPM drives are 2-6 seconds... 13ms access times at a 40GB short-stroke? I wonder what the access times look like if you test the entire drive?

Thanks for replying and for all the info. To shed a little more light, sometimes the drive doesn't do anything at all and then I have to either try access what I'm after again, which usually works, or restart the machine (fairly rare though). Its weird but it seems like the drive needs to be warmed up or something, but then if I don't access anything from that drive again for a while, the waiting game starts again confused.gif

Attached is a test of the whole drive as you mentioned, I'm not 100% on what it means so it hopefully makes more sense to you than it does for me.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kramy;15289858 
You have to boot into a DOS environment. (direct hardware access - no Windows to mess things up) I believe this is what you need:
  1. http://www.mediafire.com/?q8yv4cco07as7qa
  2. A 2GB- Flashdrive
  3. 7-Zip (to unzip the files)

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After that go into My Computer and copy over the firmware crud to your flashdrive. Good, you're done the Windows part.

Leaving it plugged in, reboot, then go into your BIOS. You'll probably have to flip to IDE mode temporarily. Poke around until you find options to boot from USB. Once you've located the USB booting options, set it to boot off your flash drive. (Again in IDE mode - it makes flashing easier)

Save + restart, then let it fire up your flashdrive. Once you reach a DOS prompt, you'll have to use commands like dir to list files, exename.exe -? to get help info on how to flash, C: or E: or Z: to flip drive letters, cd to change dirs, etc.

Follow any instructions provided on how to flash your drive.

While in the DOS environment you can reboot by pressing Ctrl+Alt+Delete - but don't do that while flashing.

Once complete, reboot. Undo all the BIOS changes and turn AHCI mode back on. Disconnect your flash drive and then fire up your OS.

Edit: Something seems off with your drive. Don't blame me if it doesn't work properly. tongue.gif

Thanks for the info here and no blame would be given haha, although upon reading further of a fellow members (jackbrennan2008) blog, apparently with my current firmware the update isn't necessary and would return me the error below anyway:
Quote:
If your firmware version is – 1AJ10001 this update is not needed as this firmware is unaffected by the SB850/P67 SATA bug. If you attempt to flash your drive you will recieve a similar error to this:

X: \> asus.exe


V 5:32 sFLASH Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.. (C) 2000-2009
>> X: \ ASUS.EXE @ 02:27
[10 DEh/0054h] B = F = 0 D = 07h 00h C = 0S70 CTRL: 0x0B72 INT_LN: 11
{0} [SAMSUNG HD103SJ (1AJ10001 )]… NVIDIA SATA 0054 CH: 1 DEV: 0

This program is not available for this drive.
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Hmm... ~16ms access times...

May I ask - is AHCI mode turned on in the BIOS? There was a thread a while back where someone was running in IDE mode, and his F3 had similarly bad access times. But if you're already in AHCI mode, then all this strange behaviour suggests to me that something is wrong with the drive. Unfortunately we won't know for sure until it croaks.

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http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=313676
     
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Originally Posted by Kramy;15296411 
Hmm... ~16ms access times...

May I ask - is AHCI mode turned on in the BIOS? There was a thread a while back where someone was running in IDE mode, and his F3 had similarly bad access times. But if you're already in AHCI mode, then all this strange behaviour suggests to me that something is wrong with the drive. Unfortunately we won't know for sure until it croaks.

If you do happen to be in IDE mode, you'll need this info on how to migrate to AHCI mode:
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=313676

Yes it is, just double checked to make sure. I even moved around the power cable to have the Samsung drive first, as well as moved around the SATA cables to different prots but the test results are the same.

I'm gonna check with my bro about when he bought it etc to see if an RMA is possible but I've done a backup already just in case it fails, fingers crossed.

Thanks for all your help dude, you've been repped!
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