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Communist society at it's finest.
Ignorance at ITS finest
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Ignorance at ITS finest
So, just to be clear, you favor communism?
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How do you know the blocking isn't already in effect? You think the government is going to send letters to every household and tell you, "oh hey you're being blocked from visiting certain sites, just thought you should know -Government". Like I said, in America they don't tell you you're being screwed, until it's too late.

If you ever get the chance go travel the world, go see and live in other countries, until then you'll never know how limited American freedom really is.
I'm from Spain, and have lived abroad for a year. The US is still great. Sorry to disappoint.
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Thanks for the conspiracy theories guys, can I see some proof of these accusations?

kikkO, if the US citizens were censored we'd likely know about it, because we're open to receive information like text messages, tweets, etc from any other country, and those countries would tell us exactly what they were seeing.

I haven't had a chance to travel the world, but I've known people from many different countries. They rarely have anything bad to say about the US, other than the usual comments about Americans eating too much.
This ain't no conspiracy theory, because it's not a conspiracy, it's fact. If you bothered to look around instead of dreaming in wonderland there are censors in place all over the US you just aren't aware of because that's what censors do, keep information from you unless you actively seek it.

I don't see CNN reporting how many US troops die each day in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Union protests in Washington was brutally crushed and wasn't televised on mainstream media.

Wisconsin union protests was also crushed and not televised on mainstream media.

All debate about 9/11 was suppressed by mainstream media.

Occupy Wall Street was censored and Yahoo! admits to blocking emails that support the movement. Twitter has also been accused of censoring the movement.

Military is developing software that will manipulate therefore effectively censor and alter social media.

The West talks about Tiananmen Square, bet you haven't heard of the Bonus Army March to Washington DC where the federal government sent in troops to brutally crush and eradicate people in the square.

The history you read in your history books throughout school are whitewashed and censored. Guess the government "mistakenly" left out the slaughter of American Indians when they were claiming the land right?

and the list goes on.....

Do you still think you live in a country of free flowing information? You're only given the illusion that you have free access because information fed to your brain has already been altered. Don't be so naive and gullible. Truth may not set you free but it will make you less ignorant.

/rant
Edited by kikkO - 10/16/11 at 6:34pm
 
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What?

China needs to stop messing with foreign companies to favour their own.

I hope one day the EU and US blocks alot of chinese products in their market to give them a lesson.
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This ain't no conspiracy theory, because it's not a conspiracy, it's fact. If you bothered to look around instead of dreaming in wonderland there are censors in place all over the US you just aren't aware of because that's what censors do, keep information from you unless you actively seek it.

I don't see CNN reporting how many US troops die each day in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Union protests in Washington was brutally crushed and wasn't televised on mainstream media.

Wisconsin union protests was also crushed and not televised on mainstream media.

All debate about 9/11 was suppressed by mainstream media.

Occupy Wall Street was censored and Yahoo! admits to blocking emails that support the movement. Twitter has also been accused of censoring the movement.

Military is developing software that will manipulate therefore effectively censor and alter social media.

The West talks about Tiananmen Square, bet you haven't heard of the Bonus Army March to Washington DC where the federal government sent in troops to brutally crush and eradicate people in the square.

The history you read in your history books throughout school are whitewashed and censored. Guess the government "mistakenly" left out the slaughter of American Indians when they were claiming the land right?

and the list goes on.....

Do you still think you live in a country of free flowing information? You're only given the illusion that you have free access because information fed to your brain has already been altered. Don't be so naive and gullible. Truth may not set you free but it will make you less ignorant.
You have a serious lack of understanding regarding the different levels of censorship applied in mainland China and the censorship that is applied in the US. I got this from wiki:

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Internet censorship in the People's Republic of China is conducted under a wide variety of laws and administrative regulations. There are no specific laws or regulations which the censorship follows. In accordance with these laws, more than sixty Internet regulations have been made by the People's Republic of China (PRC) government, and censorship systems are vigorously implemented by provincial branches of state-owned ISPs, business companies, and organizations.[1][2] China's internet environment remains one of the world’s most restrictive, and China is ranked "Not Free" in Freedom House's internet survey.[3]
Source

The United States does indeed censor its internet. The FBI shuts down any websites that traffic child porn, using a vague legal decisions that define porn.

The difference is in the level of censorship. The Chinese government blocks dissenting opinion. Look at Ai Weiwei as an example. The US government does not block dissenting opinion, just materials that can be damaging to some individuals.

Now don't get me wrong. I hate any censorship. People have a right to information. Selectively censoring information is the equivalent of thought control. However, censoring dissenting opinion is different then censoring potentially harmful materials.

Think of contentious information as an illegal drug. You can ban the use of heroin, make it illegal to have, but still allow discussion and argument regarding the potential use of heroin. That is the difference between US and Chinese information law.

The US still allows someone to argue that the censored information should be uncensored. China censors anyone that disagrees with the official party line so no dissenting opinion can be spread. That limits the change that can occur and damages the free thought of its citizens.

No matter what you think, if you do travel the world as I have you will quickly learn that the United States is a center of free thought because we are allowed to disagree with the majority and discuss it. The same cannot be said about the citizens of China. They cannot organize a grassroots movement against the government because the government will censor them before it happens. Look at the Tea Party movement in the US. That would never happen in China.

Revolt, citizens of China! Overthrow the ruling class that has forced you to submit to their wishes without allowing you to dissent. Throw the ruling minority out, as their wishes are not your needs. Fight for your needs! Your need for open discourse cannot be tamed. Revolt!
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post #47 of 55
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Originally Posted by Eduardv View Post
What?

China needs to stop messing with foreign companies to favour their own.

I hope one day the EU and US blocks alot of chinese products in their market to give them a lesson.
China is keeping the US's economy alive. What happens if China stops buying US debt?

Say to the economy...
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You have a serious lack of understanding regarding the different levels of censorship applied in mainland China and the censorship that is applied in the US. I got this from wiki:

Source

The United States does indeed censor its internet. The FBI shuts down any websites that traffic child porn, using a vague legal decisions that define porn.

The difference is in the level of censorship. The Chinese government blocks dissenting opinion. Look at Ai Weiwei as an example. The US government does not block dissenting opinion, just materials that can be damaging to some individuals.

Now don't get me wrong. I hate any censorship. People have a right to information. Selectively censoring information is the equivalent of thought control. However, censoring dissenting opinion is different then censoring potentially harmful materials.

Think of contentious information as an illegal drug. You can ban the use of heroin, make it illegal to have, but still allow discussion and argument regarding the potential use of heroin. That is the difference between US and Chinese information law.

The US still allows someone to argue that the censored information should be uncensored. China censors anyone that disagrees with the official party line so no dissenting opinion can be spread. That limits the change that can occur and damages the free thought of its citizens.

No matter what you think, if you do travel the world as I have you will quickly learn that the United States is a center of free thought because we are allowed to disagree with the majority and discuss it. The same cannot be said about the citizens of China. They cannot organize a grassroots movement against the government because the government will censor them before it happens. Look at the Tea Party movement in the US. That would never happen in China.

Revolt, citizens of China! Overthrow the ruling class that has forced you to submit to their wishes without allowing you to dissent. Throw the ruling minority out, as their wishes are not your needs. Fight for your needs! Your need for open discourse cannot be tamed. Revolt!
And that's what I find interesting about Americans' view on China, they view it through their own glasses and have no understanding of Chinese culture, traditions and the Chinese themselves; Americans instead apply their own culture upon others and if it does not align with their own values they label the other as dictators, terrorists, backwards, anti-democratic, suppressed etc.

Maybe you should travel China and ask the Chinese a simple question, what do you think about your government and their censors? and many will reply you, "I don't care" or "it does not affect me". Many Chinese are of the working class and many don't care what their government does as long as their government can provide shelter, maintain stability, bring food to the table and keep the lights running.

With many Western countries actively trying to destabilize China I don't see how China can afford not to censor and control the flow of information to their citizens.

China is has 4x the population of the US, imagine 4x the people in occupy Wall Street, it'll look more like riot, mob or revolution rather than a protest. Stability is the main factor in a big and densely populated country like China and Western countries will stop at nothing and launch attacks of all kinds to destabilize it.

Former Soviet Union learned that lesson the hard way, China will not make the same mistake.
 
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So, just to be clear, you favor communism?
No,
1. China is not really "communist" so to speak
2. I was correcting his grammar mistake
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Yeah we're not being censored from the most important event of the American 21st century, no way the media would do something like that, they're supposed to inform us on such important matters like these, right?


Yeah, no censors at all.

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So, just to be clear, you favor communism?
You don't even know what communism is. I'll wait for your Google and Wiki explanation.
Edited by kikkO - 10/16/11 at 7:00pm
 
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