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Poll Results: Shocked by Bulldozer reviews?

 
  • 16% (60)
    Yes - I thought BD would be amazing
  • 27% (101)
    No - I knew BD wasnt going to challenge Sandy Bridge
  • 56% (207)
    Im suprised it is outperformed by older AMD chips!
368 Total Votes  
post #111 of 130
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1ceTr0n View Post
Its ok to be bitter, we understand
Not bitter at all. In fact I kind of expected BD to blow chunks. However, sick of every Intel idiot coming out of the woodwork to crap all over the AMD forums. It was funny for the first few minutes, but it gets tiresome after awhile.

I'm thinking of going Intel for my next build, but wonder, do you have to be a douche-bag to own one? Or is that a side effect of owning one?
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post #112 of 130
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by DarthElvis View Post
Not bitter at all. In fact I kind of expected BD to blow chunks. However, sick of every Intel idiot coming out of the woodwork to crap all over the AMD forums. It was funny for the first few minutes, but it gets tiresome after awhile.

I'm thinking of going Intel for my next build, but wonder, do you have to be a douche-bag to own one? Or is that a side effect of owning one?
Its like having a fast luxury car, people who own one say its beautiful, those who cant afford must find fault
post #113 of 130
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Originally Posted by $ilent View Post
Its like having a fast luxury car, people who own one say its beautiful, those who cant afford must find fault
your 2500 is priced lower...

so much for the luxury car comparison
post #114 of 130
Part of me wanted to believe Bulldozer was Jesus, the savior. But the Judas in me wanted it to fail. I guess these are the mixed feelings AMD conjures up in me

I'm just going w/ a tried and true Deneb for an amd budget upgrade.
post #115 of 130
Please stay on topic (and within the ToS) guys, or this thread will end up locked too.
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post #116 of 130
Meh, I'm not shocked. I'm pissed at the whole way they (AMD) went about this, and my general feeling is that we were purposefully lied to on many an occasion. I'll keep rockin my Thuban for a month or two, and then I'll be building my 1st Intel rig since P III. Bear in mind, that I don't have any love for Intel (nor AMD), but I'm sick of waiting on AMD to pull their collective heads out...
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post #117 of 130
You have to figure an entirely new architecture design is like an entirely new operating system full of bugs, lets reference the bulldozer as Vista shall we? Maybe later on down the road AMD will release a "7". Because the 2500k out performs the big dog FX-8150 by a long shot and is $50 cheaper. Hopefully AMD will iron out their issues with this new architecture else they will end up in a hole they can't get out of (even AMD fanboys moving to Intel based systems).
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post #118 of 130
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You have to figure an entirely new architecture design is like an entirely new operating system full of bugs, lets reference the bulldozer as Vista shall we? Maybe later on down the road AMD will release a "7". Because the 2500k out performs the big dog FX-8150 by a long shot and is $50 cheaper. Hopefully AMD will iron out their issues with this new architecture else they will end up in a hole they can't get out of (even AMD fanboys moving to Intel based systems).
Because the first generation "i" series had the same issues with it's new architecture right?
 
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post #119 of 130
I am a little mad that amd made such a bad showing, 8 integer cores = 8 threads
should have smashed an i5 back into sand and gave an 17 2600 a run for the money. heck the 6 core version should have smashed the i5. and the 4 core version well it should run right along side of it or just under or better
the 8 cores are all over the place in benches.
I would rather have seen a really late good product than a so-so product.
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post #120 of 130
Yeah that module crap is dire, whatever happened to "true cores design", we don't see that on the box anymore. Seriously having the IPC speed lower than Phenom II / Thuban is insanity. I used to own a 955BE before I upgraded to my 2600K around June ish and glad I did. That JF-AMD guy is misleading too. Did you see the way he answered questions about the IPC etc, shocking? But really though AMD know that most people and i'm not trying to be offensive but its true that most people are computer illiterate and when faced with an AMD 8 core for £199 or a 4 core Intel for £235 they think "wow the AMD must be great value I get more cores at higher clockspeed" knowing little about IPC, single threaded performance and performance per watt.

Extract from JF-AMD's pre-launch questions:
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Q. Is IPC higher on bulldozer? All I care about is IPC.
A. IPC is simply a measurement. What if IPC was 2X what it is today, but clock speed was 500MHz. Is that what you want? You are getting double IPC, right? IPC is only one measure. The people that are telling you IPC is the only thing that matters have an agenda. Taking only one measurement, out of context, is like trying to say that a person's weight is all that matters. I weigh 195. Does that make me fat? Does that make me skinny? It is impossible to say unless you know my height. IPC is like weight - it tells you something in context to other factors, but is meaningless on its own.

Q. What about single threaded performance?
A. See above. Also, if all you care about is single threaded performance, might I recommend a lovely, inexpensive single core processor for your system?
I see this as misleading. Really all people needed was the truth. The truth is easily represented with cinebench 11.5 comparing single thread and multi thread against all current and past chips and not comparing gpu restricted games like they did in the latest AMD advert benchmarks.
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