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Yeah, I see intel stock rising after this fiasco...
Indeed, by 100MHz to be exact - 2700k, anyone?

Also, is BD-E still coming out later or is it just Piledriver now?
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And the only option is the hamper single-threaded performance in the mean time? Yet again, what's wrong with a 32nm Phenom II x8 as a stop-gap?


You don't need to release a CPU using said architecture just to "prepare for the future".
I know. I'm not sure what their plan was by releasing it to the market. As I said in an earlier post, I'm not sure how AMD expects these chips to sell. I don't see any reason to buy them. They cost more than Sandy Bridge and are slower than Phenom II.

The product as it is, is a downright disappointment. I'm sure they'll be able to improve it with time, but I have no idea why it was released in the state that it is.
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Looks like the new architecture is in Beta form, ha. I wonder if the prebuilts are going to be putting any of these in their high end gaming systems? They will need a killer psu. AMD shot for heavily multi-threaded performance but missed a serious counter part, excellent single threaded performance. Its almost like looking at an incomplete product. They should have made it have a mode so the 4 modules could work together in a 128bit environment and double the clock, 3.6ghz - 7.2ghz, or something like a turbo boost that could justify building up to have just the processor pull 500w.
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It would have left them way behind in the future however.
Not really? They would've just released piledriver as the first cpu based on the new architecture, which they claim will have higher ipc, and will be on a more mature 32nm process. AMD committed to a new process and a new architecture at the same time, which often comes to bite you in the ass in the semiconductor industry. Their prototypes wouldn't have ran away from them, so I don't feel that rushing this abomination out somehow helps their future.
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Anyone saying 'why didn't they make a 32nm phenom II' Think about what exactly Llano is. They can't achieve the high frequencies with Llano.....
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post #46 of 56
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Originally Posted by cky2k6 View Post
Not really? They would've just released piledriver as the first cpu based on the new architecture, which they claim will have higher ipc, and will be on a more mature 32nm process. AMD committed to a new process and a new architecture at the same time, which often comes to bite you in the ass in the semiconductor industry. Their prototypes wouldn't have ran away from them, so I don't feel that rushing this abomination out somehow helps their future.
Obviously you are unaware of the ISA war, first to deliver in quantity wins.
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103960

only cost the same as u can get a 2600k on sale for, and its slower then a phenom II no thanks!
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Anyone saying 'why didn't they make a 32nm phenom II' Think about what exactly Llano is. They can't achieve the high frequencies with Llano.....
3GHz with an IGP & IPC improvements is pretty good compared to the 45nm Athlon II's which are only 200MHz higher and obviously lack a IGP.

Also remember, Llano is essentially an Athlon product (note the lack of L3), not a Phenom one.
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If they did just release a die-shrunk Phenom II, this gen of chips may indeed have been better, but there would be nowhere to go without another die shrink, and at each step Intel would increase it's lead.

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Originally Posted by Nintendo Maniac 64 View Post
Also remember, Llano is essentially an Athlon product (note the lack of L3), not a Phenom one.
Phenom II and Athlon II are nearly the same architecture. Regardless, lack of an L3 should not hurt clock potential.

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Obviously you are unaware of the ISA war, first to deliver in quantity wins.
While I agree than AMD had to release something, this is not an example of an ISA war.
Edited by Blameless - 10/12/11 at 5:41pm
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If they did just release a die-shrunk Phenom II, this gen of chips may indeed have been better, but there would be nowhere to go without another die shrink, and at each step Intel would increase it's lead.



Phenom II and Athlon II are nearly the same architecture. Regardless, lack of an L3 should not hurt clock potential.



While I agree than AMD had to release something, this is not an example of an ISA war.
the ISA war is in full swing, AMD had to deliver or risk Intel changing the ISA again leaving them behind, yet again.

It sucks, but it is what it is.
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