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SERIOUS POSTS ONLY. LET'S MAKE A CHANGE.

TO AMD:

Dear AMD,

As a (loyal) customer, I feel utterly deceived by your marketing strategies. We've been put off on a 9-month wait and we could have gotten a flagship processor when we needed one from your competitor, Intel.

At this point, it's safe to say your newest line of chips amount to a total heap of garbage when looking at the other side of the market. This may or may not be the case seeing as how customers and reviewers are only getting their hands on them now -and there is the slight possibility that firmware is not ready for them yet. However, even if that is the case, the pricing is absurd and the power consumption is even worse. With that in mind, your flagship processor still does not outperform what's been the leading BUDGET QUAD-CORE for some time now (2500K, if you're shrugging mindlessly).

Do what you must, even if it must come down to a total recall. Otherwise, I can assure you that 90% of your client base will never purchase one of your products again. The only room left for you then would the in the GPU market, and judging by the quality of your drivers, it is imminent that you will be squashed like a bug.

TO ALL AMD OWNERS:

I've been through most threads (Bear in mind people are SCRAMBLING right now) and I found this post usefully sedating , which happened to be in my personal thread. I definitely needed it in this unfortunate and uneasy situation and feel it could help put other's minds a rest for now.


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Originally Posted by pioneerisloud View Post
Here's my thoughts.....

Obviously there's no excuse for the power draw. We can only hope that the L1 cache bug is what's causing the insane amount of power draw with overclocks.

I'm waiting to see what REAL OVERCLOCKERS can do with this thing, with a proper fresh BIOS, and the MS Hotfix for the L1 cache bug. It's fully possible that the reviews were all done a little too early, before the BIOS's and the hotfix were out properly.

If you've been waiting this incredibly long for Bulldozer, another week or two to see what happens once real people, with multi GPU setups....couldn't possibly hurt you at all.

As of right now, with the official benchmarks, yes the FX lineup seems pretty bad for a gaming CPU. As of right now, yes the i5 2500k is still the better choice.

Keep in mind, I hate the waiting game. But if you've already got an AM3+ board, I'd wait and see what happens for another week or two....and see what OCN can make FX do.
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It's a rumor for right now, seeing as how no real users have a Bulldozer to verify MS Hotfix's on it.

However, supposedly information that goes to the L1 cache, sometimes gets corrupt and gets resent again in Bulldozer (that's a bad thing). It could potentially increase power draw, and lower performance significantly (which we have seen). Supposedly there was an MS Hotfix released yesterday to resolve the issue. Keep in mind that the reviews we've seen were all done a week or more ago easily.

Not to mention BIOS issues that could still have been there.

It's all rumor and heresay at this point. However, it is 110% fully possible that the software wasn't FULLY ready for Bulldozer at the time of the reviews. Now, that's not going to make a HUGE impact in performance / power consumption. However, it could easily lessen the blows that we've been seeing, and make it a more competitive chip.

Edited by Grlzzly - 10/12/11 at 5:34pm
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1) This isn't an official thread. So I'm editing the title as such.

2) If you're going to post here, then please keep within the ToS, otherwise I WILL infract.

3) If anybody sees a post that is out of line, then please hit the report button.
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Just curious, what is this Cache Bug I hear people talking about?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Twitchie View Post
Just curious, what is this Cache Bug I hear people talking about?
It's a rumor for right now, seeing as how no real users have a Bulldozer to verify MS Hotfix's on it.

However, supposedly information that goes to the L1 cache, sometimes gets corrupt and gets resent again in Bulldozer (that's a bad thing). It could potentially increase power draw, and lower performance significantly (which we have seen). Supposedly there was an MS Hotfix released yesterday to resolve the issue. Keep in mind that the reviews we've seen were all done a week or more ago easily.

Not to mention BIOS issues that could still have been there.

It's all rumor and heresay at this point. However, it is 110% fully possible that the software wasn't FULLY ready for Bulldozer at the time of the reviews. Now, that's not going to make a HUGE impact in performance / power consumption. However, it could easily lessen the blows that we've been seeing, and make it a more competitive chip.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pioneerisloud View Post
1) This isn't an official thread. So I'm editing the title as such.

2) If you're going to post here, then please keep within the ToS, otherwise I WILL infract.

3) If anybody sees a post that is out of line, then please hit the report button.
And what pray tell was wrong with my previous post?

I simply told the OP not to waste his time with this and by buying an Intel CPU he would be sending a message to AMD more effectively than some rant on an enthusiast website.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pioneerisloud View Post
1) This isn't an official thread. So I'm editing the title as such.

2) If you're going to post here, then please keep within the ToS, otherwise I WILL infract.

3) If anybody sees a post that is out of line, then please hit the report button.
It would appear as if you were mad?

Anywho, My Ph2 X4 beats the 8150 in several benchmarks :9

BD is a flop.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Armand Hammer View Post
And what pray tell was wrong with my previous post?

I simply told the OP not to waste his time with this and by buying an Intel CPU he would be sending a message to AMD more effectively than some rant on an enthusiast website.
Nothing was wrong with your previous post. I deleted it so my post would be #2, so people see it. I'm sorry for that, but it was the only way to get my post up there.

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It would appear as if you were mad?

Anywho, My Ph2 X4 beats the 8150 in several benchmarks :9

BD is a flop.
Why would I be mad?
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The only problem I see overclocking with this chip is that Overclock3d said they had to disable 2 modules (I don't know how many cores that is) just to hit 5GHz. So basically you're losing cores and upping the clock. I don't see how that's much of an improvement..
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I don't think Pioneer is capable of being mad. I also agree with his post quoted in the original post on this thread...give it a week or 2 to shake out, and see what happens when the real OC gods get a crack at it.
 
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Some bugs (L1 cache bug), BIOS optimizations and OS optimizations (make Windows thread scheduler aware of the module design so it keeps threads that depend on each other's data in the same module, instead of separate modules) could help a little.

And it does perform fairly well versus the 2500K and Phenom II x6 in heavily-threaded programs (AVX transcoding, for example). But for whatever reason, AMD decided to ramp up clock speeds and just make the instruction pipelines longer. It didn't work well for Intel with the Pentium 4 and i'm not sure what AMD expected in their iteration.

That said, IPC/single-threaded performance suffered greatly (averaging 40% slower than Sandy Bridge in most benchmarks) and the reason for the overall low performance. You will be able to buy an 8-core Bulldozer for about $20 more than an i5 2500K costs right now, and seeing them trade blows in heavily-threaded benchmarks means the pricing is right.

Is BD a failure? If you expected it to beat Sandy Bridge in most benchmarks, yes. Is AMD going to do what they've done for awhile now and dominate with lower end of the market with their "bang-for-the-buck" strategy? Yup.
 
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