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the chance of this thread making change is about the same chance that wall street is going to remove it's greedy tentacles from your united states government.
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post #12 of 72
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Originally Posted by BloodyRory View Post
The only problem I see overclocking with this chip is that Overclock3d said they had to disable 2 modules (I don't know how many cores that is) just to hit 5GHz. So basically you're losing cores and upping the clock. I don't see how that's much of an improvement..
I've seen otherwise. 5GHz on air, 3DMark11 stable, all 8 cores.

Again, I'm holding out for REAL users to get ahold of one. Something doesn't feel right with these reviews, with the potential Bulldozer is showing in multithreaded situations.

And the reason my post needed to be #2 is simple. Look at my #2 and #3 points in that post, and you will understand. My post being the second in the thread is there to serve as a reminder to EVERYONE that the forums rules apply (some people are forgetting that with Bulldozer's release).

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Originally Posted by subliminally incorrect View Post
the chance of this thread making change is about the same chance that wall street is going to remove it's greedy tentacles from your united states government.
While this is true, it doesn't hurt anything by letting people get their opinions voiced and heard. I agree, this thread isn't going to change a thing with AMD.
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post #13 of 72
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Originally Posted by pioneerisloud View Post
It's a rumor for right now, seeing as how no real users have a Bulldozer to verify MS Hotfix's on it.

However, supposedly information that goes to the L1 cache, sometimes gets corrupt and gets resent again in Bulldozer (that's a bad thing). It could potentially increase power draw, and lower performance significantly (which we have seen). Supposedly there was an MS Hotfix released yesterday to resolve the issue. Keep in mind that the reviews we've seen were all done a week or more ago easily.

Not to mention BIOS issues that could still have been there.

It's all rumor and heresay at this point. However, it is 110% fully possible that the software wasn't FULLY ready for Bulldozer at the time of the reviews. Now, that's not going to make a HUGE impact in performance / power consumption. However, it could easily lessen the blows that we've been seeing, and make it a more competitive chip.
+1 and this is more or less what I've been thinking all along since this mess started last night.
I don't believe the full potential of this chip is known and since it's a brand new architecture it's too early to outright call it a flop but so far the evidence shows this to be the case.

Remember last Jan/Feb the SB chips had pins burning up and USB problems resulting in a recall of many MB's due to a defective chipset?

Yes, even Intel has problems with the new stuff sometimes but they got those problems sorted out and maybe this will also be the case here.

As to myself, I did get an AM3+ board with plans for picking up a BD chip but had to settle earlier for a 1100T chip. This board (CHV) with the Thuban is fantastic, right along with the other AM3 chips I have for it so no regrets getting it at all. I'll probrably get one anyway to have it and many have pointed out it's not good for single threaded apps but remember - Multi threaded apps including games will be here sooner or later, there are a few out now with more on the way.

Could be a L1 cache bug as described in Pio's post, it could be anything at this point - Who knows?
Maybe the chip's tech is advanced enough compared to the software and apps we currently have it's struggling with it?
Again who knows but the answer to this, whatever it is will be come clearer soon, esp with all the flak we''ve seen being thrown around about it. AMD has to do something in the face of all the hype that surrounded the chip and for now it's looking like all the hype was just hot air.
Give it time guys, I'm not counting any chickens yet, passed or failed ones on this.
Edited by Kryton - 10/12/11 at 5:45pm
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post #14 of 72
Great thread - i think the cache bug is causing all this..

Pioneer you are doing a great job running this thead!

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I think there is more to this story than we know right now (PIO eluded to it).
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post #16 of 72
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Originally Posted by pioneerisloud View Post
I've seen otherwise. 5GHz on air, 3DMark11 stable, all 8 cores.

Again, I'm holding out for REAL users to get ahold of one. Something doesn't feel right with these reviews, with the potential Bulldozer is showing in multithreaded situations.

And the reason my post needed to be #2 is simple. Look at my #2 and #3 points in that post, and you will understand. My post being the second in the thread is there to serve as a reminder to EVERYONE that the forums rules apply (some people are forgetting that with Bulldozer's release).



While this is true, it doesn't hurt anything by letting people get their opinions voiced and heard. I agree, this thread isn't going to change a thing with AMD.
Yea pulling 600w though. The power consumption is going to be its major downfall even if it does become more competitive with sandybridge with bug fixes and optimization.
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However, it is 110% fully possible that the software wasn't FULLY ready for Bulldozer at the time of the reviews. Now, that's not going to make a HUGE impact in performance / power consumption. However, it could easily lessen the blows that we've been seeing, and make it a more competitive chip.
I've been thinking something else here.
Remember this is a new architecture being benched/tested with apps and programs made and optimized for older architectured chips.

Speaking of how much of an advancement the chip is supposed to be, could this be another factor with it's poor performance?
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My post on 12/21/10:

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Originally Posted by BallaTheFeared View Post
Title: Oh AMD - you have failed me for the last time!

Dear AMD,

I hate your single thread performance, please try harder. Please also note that six sub par threads isn't the answer. I was happy to hear that you were going with a new architecture this time around. I hope suing INTEL and obtaining financial gain and creative freedom has allowed you to bring something better as we need a competitive market to drive up advancement and drive down prices. Though you did not cost me an arm, nor a leg, I must say more is needed at the same price range. I look forward to future purchases of your products, however the K10 architecture should have died with the terrible Phenom and never to see light again.

Sincerely,
Sad Panda

http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/8948...failed-me.html

Shortly after that my board failed me, I was in the market for a AM3 board and DDR3 when I happened across some information about SB... I bought SB 1/8/11.
    
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Yea pulling 600w though. The power consumption is going to be its major downfall even if it does become more competitive with sandybridge with bug fixes and optimization.
It is possible that a software bug can do that.
    
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I've seen otherwise. 5GHz on air, 3DMark11 stable, all 8 cores.
Now that's a heck of a lot better than what I saw coming from Overclock3d's youtube channel.

Any chance there's a link you could post so that I could also see this?
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