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seeing how the bulldozer sucked. I was wondering if clock for clock how does it fair with the much older Phenom I. I found a review how much it lost to Phenom II clock for clock just wondering if it even loses to a Phenom I core. thanks guys.
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Pretty sure FX is faster than the Phenom I but the not by much.
     
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Pretty sure FX is faster than the Phenom I but the not by much.


after reading this I doubt it a bit. maybe it even loses @_@
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Thread for thread, clock for clock, they are either on par or FX is slightly worst.
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the Fx is much cheaper tho lol
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Phenom I 9950 vs Phenom II 910, lined up. http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/85?vs=21 . Ph vs PhII is about ~10-15% in favor of Phenom II. AM3 Phenom II's with some fast DDR3 should be a bit stronger.

So yes, basically for legacy programs, gaming, etc. Bulldozer and Phenom I have similar IPC. For all that AVX junk, FX is a lot faster.

Now, I'd just like to point out that Phenom I wasn't a flop because of IPC. Max OC around 3.3ghz was the issue(think, Q6600 did about 4.0ghz, and it). Phenom II vs. LGA 1366/1156 was actually a bigger loss for AMD in terms of clock/clock performance.. but clockspeeds were (roughly) tied between the 2.

Kind of OT but given enough jiggawatts I'd expect BD to beat Phenom II core/core, since they can clock about 15% higher on air for the 8-core. BD quads should do better.
 
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It's possible with bios updates or os optimizations the FX will greatly improve. Its not very probable, but it is possible....
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after reading this I doubt it a bit. maybe it even loses @_@
Wow. That is truly pathetic.
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Guys, you're comparing it to Phenom II, not Phenom I.

Clock for clock, the FX will be a MUCH better chip than an original Phenom. Remember, the original Phenom chips top out around 3.0GHz or so. These FX chips are doing 4.6-5.0GHz and sometimes higher on air (the reviews stopped at around 4.6, but I've seen 5.1GHz with a Ven X on a FX 8150).

If you're thinking about buying an FX, my personal opinion is to wait and see what experienced OCN overclockers get out of them. Especially since we don't know for sure what BIOS the reviews used, or if they applied to proper OS patches. It's fully possible that FX could turn around a little bit (nothing breath taking, but enough to lessen the initial blow).

Also, I removed the "reps will be given" from your first post. Just a friendly reminder...don't advertise reps. Give them as you see fit, and make no mention of it.
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Clock for clock, the FX will be a MUCH better chip than an original Phenom. Remember, the original Phenom chips top out around 3.0GHz or so. These FX chips are doing 4.6-5.0GHz and sometimes higher on air (the reviews stopped at around 4.6, but I've seen 5.1GHz with a Ven X on a FX 8150).
One picture was for the Ph2. I was doing a comparison for PH1.

You just said it will be MUCH better clock for clock, then go on about its overclocking abilities. That contradicts.

CLOCK FOR CLOCK. A BD core @ 2.6ghz vs Phenom 9850 @ 2.6ghz; Phenom is probably better in IPC and thread for thread performance.

He asked for clock for clock, there ya go.

Is BD a WAY better chip? Duh.
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