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The bulldozer is a total failure.
I would say that it is amazing it reached the level of performance that it did given all the things that are stacked up against it. Have you taken a look at ANY of the changes that were made to it?

Yes, it is underwhelming and many people's expectations were very high, but it is not as bad as many people claim. For one, the "OMG I MIGHT NEED A NEW PSU" is just retardedly blown out of proportion. Not that efficiency is good, but it is absurd to think that you would need a new PSU for this chip, especially if you already have a hexacore, unless you are pushing the thing to the ABSOLUTE limit and any little bit more will kill it.



That said, PLEASE stop posting GPU bottlenecked gaming benchmarks as an indication of this or any CPUs performance, IT JUST DOESNT WORK THAT WAY. I dont care if its a "real world" situation, if it has a GPU bottleneck the CPU is not stressed 100% and therefore not indicative of its performance. If you want to see how this chip will perform in the "real world," go look up a benchmark for the GPU you plan on using, as that will be the limiting factor most of the time and dictate the FPS you get as long as you CPU can surpass it, and any halfway decent CPU will, including this one.

You don't compare the performance of two cars going the speed limit.
    
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I would say that it is amazing it reached the level of performance that it did given all the things that are stacked up against it. Have you taken a look at ANY of the changes that were made to it?

Yes, it is underwhelming and many people's expectations were very high, but it is not as bad as many people claim. For one, the "OMG I MIGHT NEED A NEW PSU" is just retardedly blown out of proportion. Not that efficiency is good, but it is absurd to think that you would need a new PSU for this chip, especially if you already have a hexacore, unless you are pushing the thing to the ABSOLUTE limit and any little bit more will kill it.



That said, PLEASE stop posting GPU bottlenecked gaming benchmarks as an indication of this or any CPUs performance, IT JUST DOESNT WORK THAT WAY. I dont care if its a "real world" situation, if it has a GPU bottleneck the CPU is not stressed 100% and therefore not indicative of its performance. If you want to see how this chip will perform in the "real world," go look up a benchmark for the GPU you plan on using, as that will be the limiting factor most of the time and dictate the FPS you get as long as you CPU can surpass it, and any halfway decent CPU will, including this one.

You don't compare the performance of two cars going the speed limit.
100% agree on this! Perfect wakeup call
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The bulldozer is a total failure.
Just you man, the chips at least ok.
    
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Bulldozer beats the Phenom II's and fits right inbetween the 2500k and 2600k. That's quite an achievement given the fact they have fallen behind when Sandy Bridge first entered into the market. Despite the initial set backs and our disappointments, I will have to say that the game is still on and competition is still there. I feel this is the area Bulldozer is competing at but I cannot comment on how it will fare against Ivy Bridge and Sand Bridge E.
AMD will simply have to keep working harder in the hope that they will one day catch up with Intel.
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I believe in that as well, which is why I have been careful to not in any of my posts anywhere call BD a fail. Honestly we don't know truly what it can do yet.

We know MS had to address some issues, and there will be more I'm sure. AMD themselves will have to address some issues I think that may have came to light to further revisions, which I'm sure will improve.

That's also why this arch is so innovative in my eyes. It's new all around almost to all, from the consumer to the engineers.

But all too often one person says this and then next thing you know 20 people say the same thing that haven't even a clue what the first guy was talking about. I think this is another case and point of that.

I do feel the nv comparison was a bit bad though, as even at first release Fermi showed the performance and just lacked efficiency.

The big issue with AMD's BD is it lacks both efficiency and performance. But as mentioned by you Black, it could boil down to needing to adjust and make changes to the programs coding to take advantage of what BD does have the ability to do.
I dunno if the comparison was so bad. I distinctly recall the same type of threads for NV. "Fermi FAILBOAT!" and it was highly ridiculed for it's high power usage and extremely high temps. Hell there was even a video on youtube where a guy fried an egg on it's heatsink.
Fermi chips weren't light years behind ATi. They weren't optimized and therefore didn't perform to their full potential. Several drivers later they're performing considerably better.
As you have seen, the threads for BD are very similar. Even the performance results between BD and Intel are eerily similar to the results that we got from Fermi and the existing ATi GPUs' at the time.

If you listen to the Intel fanoy's they''d have you believe that BD is slower than Phenom I's, when obviously, that is not even remotely close to the case.

I too am holding out in hopes that optimization to OS's and other tweaks are in the works. I remember for my 939 dual core CPUs' AMD had to release the "Dual core optimizer" in order for it to work properly with a lot of applications and games. Perhaps AMD has something in the works for that.

Unfortunately, this is going to be a waiting game to see what happens in the next few months. Hopefully good things.

And thanks for not jumping on the fanboy bandwagon.
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The bulldozer is a total failure.
Seems like everybody (myself included) was a bit premature.

BD is running very nicely in a different motherboard than the Asus one.

Better benchmarks are coming out using a different board.

Nothing decisive until we get more info but BD is looking better and better.

It's possible that the total failure was using Asus Crosshair V, not BD itself.
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I said this in another forum:

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the 1600/1333mhz ram isnt bottlenecking the BD, it would have to max out the bandwidth to do that. heck the LGA1366 cpus ran fine with dual channel they didnt need the triple channel, especially in gaming. being a experienced AMD overclocker, AMD CPU's dont care about RAM speed, they never have, they probably never will, they are all about latency, the lower the latency the better with AMD, and Intel has always been the faster RAM speed, and latency never has really effected them.
was I wrong in saying this? because I am talking to someone that said this in reply to that:

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Clearly doesn't understand different microarchitectures. BD is more similar to the p4, which was bandwidth limited.
someone help me out! he is telling me that BD didnt perform because they didnt test it out with 1866mhz ram like its rated for.

I asked him for a source, and he has never given me one backing up his claim.

tbh Faster ram might give it 1-3% more fps if that. he doesnt understand that and he thinks its affecting the scores with BD.
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http://www.kitguru.net/components/cp...990fxa-ud7/23/

ill hope we will see soon some results of FX8150 with multi gpu on 1920x1080..
AMD FX-8150 vs. Intel i7-2600k CrossFireX HD 6970 x3

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/43...ead/index.html
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