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post #11 of 121
I hope you are right. It would be nice if bulldozer uncovered a some magical more efficient way of processing and doing things and it was going to take a little time for the x86 programers to see the new light, but The biggest killjoy of bulldozer is the 450w of power that the thing demands. Also, you would think that AMD would have been working with Microsoft to prepare a fix for the scheduler thing that would have been included in the Tuesday Windows Update.
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post #12 of 121
AMD is in a similar situation now that Intel was in a good few years ago when they came out with itanium that was incompatible with preety much anything not written for it. AMD wiped the floor with opterons and backwards compatible 64bit processing soo good that it ended up being a standard that even intel uses now.

In this case though, its interesting because there shouldn't be too much more to get programs BD aware..
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Main reason i am still gonna stick with BD, even tho for now it's a bit on the fail side. I'm not gonna build right now, i'll let some time for stuff to really get fixed so chanegs are noticeable.

It's a whole new architecture. It needs to be properly read and used by the software for it to work 100%. Plus BIOSes have not been properly made to use all of it's power.

I do not expect magical boosts (like whooping SB ass) but yeah, they should come out with at least outdoing Deneb/Thubans and first-gen Core i-series.
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Leave bulldozer alone!



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Originally Posted by Sauerkraut View Post
Its a pity this is going to be hounded and seen as just another excuse. Bulldozer is a success, it may not make a clean sweep but its scalable and will see major increases in speed with updates and when people learn to work with it. The fact it is used in servers will help push this. A good example is the PS3. When it came out no one could tell "butt" from elbow... Now look at it.

This thread will be overrun with Intel sucks very soon, and its a pity because it could lead to a very intelligent interesting conversation instead. It would be nice if OCN could stop being fanboys for either side and pursue some performance. I have faith Bulldozer will perform, and be a hell of a lot of fun overclocking as el gappo said.
I'm running an AM3+ system right now (errr, or until I can find a good deal on an x4/x6) and can say it wasn't what I wanted it to be. To many of us it is a failure because we didn't expect its performance to go backwards and that power draw.... OH THE POWER DRAW.

OP has a good point though and ACTUALLY gave us some proof that it in part is software based instead of just saying it. What I do wonder though is if any companies see Bulldozer as an asset to spend money and time on coding for it.

If you actually spent time on Linux when they had the OtherOS option still available, you'd know that coding for the Cell was extremely hard and nothing really got done... by the homebrew community anyway. An h264 decoder came out but was extremely alpha. Mesa tried to make a video driver utilizing the SPE's but again it was scrapped because of difficulty. Aside from those the SPE's on many PS3's remained untouched.
post #15 of 121
Another thread?

Is this how it normally is around here when a new CPU comes out? Nothing has changed since yesterday and it's going to be weeks if not months until things do. Is there going to be thread after thread all repeating the same thing that was in the last 100+ threads that have been locked/deleted until then?
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I am sorry but 7 damn years of dev is not enough??? Cmon that sucker eats power like a horse and still craps out ****. Intel on the otherhand, I think we all know SB-E will be perfect. Don't get me wrong I PRAYED TO GOD FOR BULLDOZER TO BE BETTER I EVEN BOUGT THE 990FX CHIPSET MOTHERBOARD! Getting ready for the baby! Then I ******* find out 2600k and 2500k rapes it. AMD it name will get smuthered into dirt when SB-E comes out. This is coming from a EX-AMD fanboy, Looks like Intel will be the only CPU producer. AMD will prob stick with GPU to make a living.
post #17 of 121
threw this question up in the bulldozer thread but no one answered

why does it perform miles ahead on boards other than asus the tests done not on an asus board looked pretty good (right between 2600k and 2500k) right where most of us expected it hell even the power consumption is almost halved on other boards

is there a problem with the asus bios that no one is noticing???
post #18 of 121
This MS this is bogus though. Another excuse instead of just saying or seeing it as it is.

BD sucks and is just WAY slower than expected and it should be. End of story.

Looking towards excuses or software to turn on the magic speed isn't very realistic. Is it?
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This MS this is bogus though. Another excuse instead of just saying or seeing it as it is.

BD sucks and is just WAY slower than expected and it should be. End of story.

Looking towards excuses or software to turn on the magic speed isn't very realistic. Is it?
Imo, it is way slower than expected but there is something wrong, as windows 8 gets a nice bump in performance, some service pack that AMD would pay for would be nice for its users to at least see performance where they see this CPU as a viable upgrade from the Phenom series. (lol im not upgrading because single threaded performance on my athlon is better .
    
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Another thread?

Is this how it normally is around here when a new CPU comes out? Nothing has changed since yesterday and it's going to be weeks if not months until things do. Is there going to be thread after thread all repeating the same thing that was in the last 100+ threads that have been locked/deleted until then?
As pointed out by one of my fellow fanboys, I'm actually pointing to some proof, instead of just speculating or making excuses.
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