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Originally Posted by Brutuz View Post
His chip destroys yours for video encoding and rendering, as well as the WinRAR bench.

Proof.

The Thuban and Lynnfield are both good products, get over yourself. Please.
You didn't understand the whole at my clock speeds thing huh?

Here's a comparison of overclocked X6 to overclocked Nehalems:
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpu...1100t-review/3

Notice how the 760 is almost as fast as the X6 in those few benchmarks that it lagged behind and how it completely destroys it in other tasks such as x264 encoding?
    
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His chip destroys yours for video encoding and rendering, as well as the WinRAR bench.

Proof.

The Thuban and Lynnfield are both good products, get over yourself. Please.
That's the truth and it's the same guy that was annoying the heck out of me on the other BD thread. He only goes around saying "blah blah AMD is terrible blah blah". I guess I shouldn't feed the troll huh?
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Its all well and good that Bulldozer has the potential to be a great processor if software gets fixed. I would be happy if it is.

The problem is, It is limited by software we have now, so its potential as a processor is gimped until we have software support for it.
Which, sadly enough, means that no matter how great its potential, it was released ahead of its time, and will not get the support it needs for a while.

BD could be great, assuming software is the issue.
But that is a moot point right now seeing as there isnt a fix for the problem.
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Its all well and good that Bulldozer has the potential to be a great processor if software gets fixed. I would be happy if it is.

The problem is, It is limited by software we have now, so its potential as a processor is gimped until we have software support for it.
Which, sadly enough, means that no matter how great its potential, it was released ahead of its time, and will not get the support it needs for a while.

BD could be great, assuming software is the issue.
But that is a moot point right now seeing as there isnt a fix for the problem.
There are indications that software could fix a substantial portion of the performance issues. time will tell. I can't really recommend a upgrade for myself or anyone else with a Thuban however. the performance just isn't there, yet.

Maybe a respin etc will show improvement. I think its just to immature. I have seen people suggesting it was a pipecleaner product. If true, rev 2 could be massively better.
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for the record.. this is the only review i could find witht he asrock board ( i didnt look too hard) and it tells a different story..
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/review...-extreme4.html

it may be the website favoring amd, who knows, still interesting..
Something else I notice about that review, is that it's the first review I've seen where they used DDR3-1866 instead of DDR3-1600 which is what almost all other sites used to review with. Since BD has native support for 1866, that is what should have been used by everyone. It's the sign of a bad review if there's even a chance that an artificial bottleneck could be limiting performance.

I know the difference between 1600 and 1866 is minimal. 9 out of 10 times, it wouldn't make a difference. But in certain benchmarks it will make a difference. There's no excuse to not be using what BD supports in an official review.
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I actually applaud wedge for making this thread. Its a good thread and the comments he made seem to be correct. Bulldozer will get better and eventually i might buy one. The kids on this forum are terrible though. They think they know everything but never look at the past to see whats happening to bulldozer. Plain and simple if its not performing to your likes dont buy it. To argue how terrible it is but do not do your homework on whats happening to bulldozer and past innovative chips just shows the immaturity that plagues this forum.
post #57 of 121
I think BD can be some what saved with software improvements but it will not be a great cpu for a long time. I believe it all started with bad single core performance and from there it just gets worst with crappy software optimizations for multi-threaded apps. Its a shame that in 5-6 years that all they can come up with. I was really looking foward to 16 core Interlagos.
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That says they raised the reference clock to 300Mhz, the CPU multi to 14x for a 4.2Ghz main clock speed @ 1.512v, the CPU/NB voltage went to 1.35v (Low for an apparent 3Ghz CPU/NB speed) as did the HT voltage.

Now, tell me, where does that prove they OCed the CPU/NB? The gaming results are too slow to really be around the level of a 3Ghz CPU/NB, 4.2Ghz Thuban, it's quite likely that they adjusted the CPU/NB multiplier to 7x for a 2.1Ghz CPU/NB...As quite a few review sites somehow got it into their head that a high CPU/NB clock reduces performance, which is in fact the HTT clock.
    
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The fact they call the reference clock the HTT clock shows they don't know much about AMD clocking.
Err, what? That's what it's called. I remember everyone used to call it that during the Socket 939 days.
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Err, what? That's what it's called. I remember everyone used to call it that during the Socket 939 days.
I'm on my laptop now, so I can't double check, but for every Phenom II chip I've owned its been reference clock with the HTT clock being 2000Mhz (Or 2600Mhz in the case of Bulldozer/1800Mhz for Phenom I iirc)
    
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