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Too much irrelevant discussion here. Please let's stop talking about intel and intel cpu's. The topic is Bulldozer and it's problems.

Since it has been shown that BD performance can increase when only running one core in each module, here's what I propose:

Let's make a windows hack which fools/tricks windows into accessing different cores than it normally would.

For example:
core 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7
change to
core 0,2,4,6,7,5,3,1

Who here can make such a windows hack??
     
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Partol;15294837 
Too much irrelevant discussion here. Please let's stop talking about intel and intel cpu's. The topic is Bulldozer and it's problems.

Since it has been shown that BD performance can increase when only running one core in each module, here's what I propose:

Let's make a windows hack which fools/tricks windows into accessing different cores than it normally would.

For example:
core 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7
change to
core 0,2,4,6,7,5,3,1

Who here can make such a windows hack??


It would be easier to renumber the core in the bios, then dive into that mess microsoft call a kernel.
post #73 of 121
first time iv seen anyone ask about windows 8 and if someones tried it .. so yeah lol
post #74 of 121
Honestly, AMD must have known they were going to get this kind of response. I'm sure they benchmarked Bulldozer a million times before they ever released it to the public.

The architecture doesn't work well with current software. They know this. They darn well knew it before they released BD. I would imagine that they have plans for revisions to the design to address this, or else they're working with Microsoft on a fix that will make the scheduler function optimally for BD. And yes, Microsoft WILL do that. They issued a fix for Windows 95 when 95 was choking on K6-2's back in the day. But it's going to take some time, and might not be until Win8 is out.

Right now, though, anyone who is an AMD fanboy is just going to have to take their lumps. Maybe AMD fixes the issues and the next revision beats up Intel and steals their lunch money. Intel fanboys had to take it when the P4 was an epic fail upon release, but it eventually became a winner.
     
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I agree. Bios mod would be easier. Who wants to mod the bios/UEFI in order to change core numbering?

Don't all volunteer at the same time please. LOL
Edited by Partol - 10/13/11 at 12:42pm
     
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge;15294656 
Intel is optimizing its cpu's for today.
AMD is optimizing its cpu's for tomorrow.

How is that? Who is it that decides the future?

The same could be said for many other companies over the years that are no longer in business.
post #77 of 121
Quote:
Originally Posted by jsc1973;15295001 
Honestly, AMD must have known they were going to get this kind of response. I'm sure they benchmarked Bulldozer a million times before they ever released it to the public.

The architecture doesn't work well with current software. They know this. They darn well knew it before they released BD. I would imagine that they have plans for revisions to the design to address this, or else they're working with Microsoft on a fix that will make the scheduler function optimally for BD. And yes, Microsoft WILL do that. They issued a fix for Windows 95 when 95 was choking on K6-2's back in the day. But it's going to take some time, and might not be until Win8 is out.

Right now, though, anyone who is an AMD fanboy is just going to have to take their lumps. Maybe AMD fixes the issues and the next revision beats up Intel and steals their lunch money. Intel fanboys had to take it when the P4 was an epic fail upon release, but it eventually became a winner.


A man with a big tool in his shed, doesn't have to tell everyone how great it is, he takes it out and puts it to work.

My take on the Intel fanboy spamming here.
post #78 of 121
Quote:
Originally Posted by PsikyoJebus;15294648 
Well I read this whole thread and it was very informative to be honest, despite the fanboys that have nothing of interest to say than what has already been said 100+ times on this forum. First of all, to all the haters, please understand that on this forum, some people are interested in more than just whether chip A beats chip B. Not all of us care about having the best BF3 equipped PC and nothing else.

Despite the fact that the performance is lacking, this chip may be a lot of fun to overclock and tweak around. I buy AMD because I love to fiddle around with the BIOS (UEFI soon) settings and see what makes my chip tick. I learn a lot about my system from doing this and I find it to be more rewarding than running this or that game on max settings or improving my k/d ratio on some random game. I really don't care if I'm losing 40 fps in some mediocre game that my current chip is already pulling 60+ fps on. That being said, I found this thread interesting because there are other people, like me, who also love to mess around with the cpu settings beyond bumping up clock speed rates and calling it a day. I really hope that the overclocking community finds out what's wrong with this chip and how the performance and power consumption issues can be addressed, so that one day, perhaps the people at AMD can see what we've done and incorporate such changes in the form of a hotfix or implement them in their next product.
Totally agreed. There are uses for these 8-cores, not just BF3 and gaming. And for that, even my i3 can win over or go toe to toe the fanboy's Sandy Bridge. And i'm not a fanboy of any company.

AMD has always innovated in one way or another, and even Intel has acknowledged, emulated and even licensing these features. The ones that come to mind are AMD64 and true dual-core CPU's instead of 2 dies in one CPU, like old Pentium D's. So it's not like this architecture will not benefit, sooner or later.

I am still getting BD, just letting these fixes to hit the users, be it in software or BIOS updates.
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Did you ever consider that it could be the actual hardware scheduler's fault, not Windows's?

Anyway, I really hope this is a software issue. I don't want to have to buy Intel.
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Originally Posted by jsc1973;15295001 
P4 was an epic fail upon release, but it eventually became a winner.

When did p4 become an eventual winner? Didn't Intel abandon that entire architecture because it had no future?
Another example of them designing for today instead of for tomorrow.
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