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Originally Posted by Starbomba;15295056 
Totally agreed. There are uses for these 8-cores, not just BF3 and gaming. And for that, even my i3 can win over or go toe to toe the fanboy's Sandy Bridge. And i'm not a fanboy of any company.

AMD has always innovated in one way or another, and even Intel has acknowledged, emulated and even licensing these features. The ones that come to mind are AMD64 and true dual-core CPU's instead of 2 dies in one CPU, like old Pentium D's. So it's not like this architecture will not benefit, sooner or later.

I am still getting BD, just letting these fixes to hit the users, be it in software or BIOS updates.
The man speaks truth.
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Originally Posted by amd-dude;15295775 
It may or may not get fixed in the coming weeks/months does not matter to me after all

Ignorance is bliss biggrin.gif

So you don't care if BD sucks or not? Might as well just give me your money.
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i care if it sucks..it's bad for everyone..maybe ..if they come out with a rev2 or something that's better..MUCH better..i'll get one..eh..i ordered an fx4100 to play with in the meantime..
 
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Okay, I've just re-read several of the review articles. I admit I mostly skimmed through them the first time (hey it was a lot to read!)

Anyway, page 3 from Anandtech really does make a lot of sense.

Long story short is: People who say Bulldozer is AMD's Pentium 4... are right!
AMD thought they were smarter than Intel, and tried to implement BD in a similar way as the P4. And low and behold they're getting the same results: worse IPC and higher power consumption.

Apparently AMD meant to at least maintain the same IPC as the PII, and also manage much higher base clocks (like ~4.3GHz). But they didn't achieve either of those goals. If they had, BD would be much better competition for SB in all aspects.

Well, hopefully AMD at least knows why they didn't get what they wanted. And if so, they should be able to right the wrongs in Piledriver.
The problem then becomes (as many others have pointed out), it won't be Sandy Bridge anymore, instead they'll have to compete with Ivy Bridge...
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Idk, I bought an 8120 because it makes sense in my very specific situation. According to benchmarks, it will outperform my 1100t in the areas that count for me; thus making it a good upgrade option, especially with a mad overclock. Not so much an appealing product for people to build new systems with, as it stands. Prices are too high, IPC sucks right now (regardless of what it may have the potential to be) and TDP borderlines abysmal.

That's the harsh reality of the current situation. With all of that said, it is a pretty radical new architecture and I can't see where software improvements will be anything less than positive. A new windows scheduler, compiler optimization, more multi-thread friendly software and full exploitation of the new instruction sets, would all be welcomed. We'll likely see most of this for linux long before windows, however.

I will be looking forward to seeing how this all unfolds. One thing I'd be really interested in seeing, is a source-based distro of Linux, fully compiled with a new BD-optimized version of GCC vs the same for a sandy bridge and Phenom II. It wouldn't be a useful desktop benchmark comparison (server maybe), but would shed some light on the topic of this thread (i.e. does the BD architecture just plain suck, or if its in a perfect world, is it better than Phenom II and/or Sandy Bridge).

If it can be a proven winner in a perfect world, and AMD took it to the software companies, we could very well see some rapid progress. New designs like this have to happen for technology to improve, even if it sucks at first, doesn't mean it always will. With everything going on at AMD management issues, supply issues, etc - I feel like this launch was more of a "F*** it, we'll just start throwing s*** against the wall until something sticks"...and sometimes, that's just all you can do.
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. . . . . I stumbled into this thread

So, as a really old guy that got a 20% boost when I overclocked my Z80 by a single Megahertz, and a 16KB memory upgrade was $500 I read this thread with interest.

I have to say that I have been totally impressed with my Sabertooth 990FX and 1100T and love my system to death. (Once I sorted through the OCZ Vertex 3 problems)

The Bulldozer is made for a guy like me who makes his living using his computer and lately I have been seeing too much time with all 6 cores banging around 50% utilization. Heck, I might even add an extra VMware session when the Bulldozer gets here.

For you Intel fanboys out there, you can thank AMD for faster and cheaper Intel processors. If the Bulldozer is a total hit on Win 8 or a close second, competition improves the breed. Since the mid 1970's AMD has been breathing down Intel's neck as the price/performance lead has gone back and forth.

So Intel fan or AMD fan, the Bulldozer will help push the computer benchmarks down the road. Hat's off to both of them to get us here from my old 2MHz 8080.

So what ever happened to Zilog anyhow? ? ? ? ?

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post #97 of 121
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Originally Posted by RickmanCBR;15302233 
For you Intel fanboys out there, you can thank AMD for faster and cheaper Intel processors. If the Bulldozer is a total hit on Win 8 or a close second, competition improves the breed.

Problem is, the way AMD is going right now, Intel can sit back and take a long nap before it has to do anything.

BD is proving to be anything but a challenge to Intel.
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Originally Posted by RickmanCBR;15302233 
. . . . . I stumbled into this thread

So, as a really old guy that got a 20% boost when I overclocked my Z80 by a single Megahertz, and a 16KB memory upgrade was $500 I read this thread with interest.

I have to say that I have been totally impressed with my Sabertooth 990FX and 1100T and love my system to death. (Once I sorted through the OCZ Vertex 3 problems)

The Bulldozer is made for a guy like me who makes his living using his computer and lately I have been seeing too much time with all 6 cores banging around 50% utilization. Heck, I might even add an extra VMware session when the Bulldozer gets here.

For you Intel fanboys out there, you can thank AMD for faster and cheaper Intel processors. If the Bulldozer is a total hit on Win 8 or a close second, competition improves the breed. Since the mid 1970's AMD has been breathing down Intel's neck as the price/performance lead has gone back and forth.

So Intel fan or AMD fan, the Bulldozer will help push the computer benchmarks down the road. Hat's off to both of them to get us here from my old 2MHz 8080.

So what ever happened to Zilog anyhow? ? ? ? ?

RickmanCBR

This is truth. Just as much as people want their own chip to be the best its just as important that the competition gets income. Without it they fail, and believe you me if you think your CPU prices wouldn't soar because of it id like to know how you get by living on hopes and dreams daily because that **** doesn't work. Ask Detroit about hopes and dreams.

As I stated in many threads and times before, both companies make very viable products. There is no reason not to choose Bulldozer if it performs for you and hits the price point. Especially when the price drops, which it will.
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asus bios fail, ever board it was tested on beside that asus chv tested better than SB
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May I see these benchmarks of Windows 8 vs Windows 7? ninja.gif

"asus bios fail, ever board it was tested on beside that asus chv tested better than SB" proof?

EDIT: I don't know who else is annoyed to hell by these intel trolls...But I sure am, I cannot wait for an admin to clean this thread up.
Edited by paulerxx - 10/13/11 at 11:19pm
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