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Firstly, I'd like to apologize to everyone that has been fighting the last 24 hours over the release of Bulldozer. Second, I'm not a fanboy of either AMD or Intel. I've owned systems from both companies. I'm a fanboy of getting the facts out there, which AMD is NOT doing. AMD is marketing their product, to no fault of their own, but their information is misleading and in some cases outright lies.

1) The Hardocp Battlefield 3 graph
I'm not going to link to the graph since I can't find it right this moment, but if you've been watching the topics you've seen it probably at least a dozen times.

The graph doesn't tell you what GPU is being used; if you look it up, [H] used a 6970. It's a good card, and I'm not doubting the ability of BD to get the full capabilities of this card, but the performance of CPU's are irrelevant when dealing with a single 6970.

The reason for this is because a Phenom II x4, Core 2 Quad 45nm, last gen i5, or current gen i3 could produce the same numbers without spending $200, $260, or $300 on a new processor if paired with the Radeon 6970.

To prove my point, I've searched and while it's not an official source, I do not see a reason for someone to lie when it comes to measuring gaming performance. This video's comments (http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=LfQgh4nlrNA) indicate that the maker of the video is running a Q9550 with a 6970, and reported that he's getting anywhere from 45-86 frames per second. At the high end, that's 4 more frames than the 8150 was getting, and costs less. A Phenom II x4 that performs just the same as a Q9550 will probably generate similar results and costs $150 less than Bulldozer.

2) The infamous Dirt 3 video
I don't understand why AMD would put out false numbers. Citing this video: http://youtu.be/8rDwXuAINJk

At the one minute mark, it says that the Cinebench score of an i7 980x is 5.41. I thought that to be awfully low, so I did some more research.

It's an "unofficial" cinebench database, but with every CPU that I've run cinebench through, they seem to be accurate.
http://www.cbscores.com/

The lowest scoring i7 980 that they have up there is rated at an 8.5 for rendering (cpu score).

I would also like to point out that in the video the 8150 is claimed to get a 5.98.

The Phenom II x6 1055T at a clock speed of 3.5 Ghz achieves a score of 6.12. The 1055T is $110 less than the 8150.


I know a lot of people are disappointed, I know I am. But please take these things into consideration. No one is dogging you for trying to be optimistic; it's just that the numbers don't lie.
post #2 of 11
Your going to get flamed by all the amd fans on this forum for this thread but what you said is 100% accurate.

In the Amd Propaganda video they used Dual channel ram instead of Tri for the 980X and gave it DDR3 1066 when the 8150 had DDR3 1600
post #3 of 11
BD as for now is a disappointment. Nothing else to be discussed.

What it'll be with the Komodo release... We honestly don't know.
   
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I think some of the negativity is stemming from the title. It's not the OP's fault, just that usually "PR machine" has a decidedly negative connotation. Plus this is just a summary of the numbers that are being put out there; it'd be nice to have a separate thread where this is discussed without the bickering of the main "official thread".

The official thread is basically unreadable now anyway tongue.gif
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It's no hidden fact that Bulldozer is currently a flop anymore, let's just hope its not hardware , but much rather software that is causing this lack of power, as I am pretty sure AMD wouldnt release a CPU that is worse than the previous gen after 4 years of development.
    
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AMD hyped up Bulldozer, blatantly lying to the consumer along the way...sometimes, you get what you deserve (although I do feel bad for anyone who was waiting for Bulldozer to upgrade)
    
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nfl;15295157 
amd hyped up bulldozer, blatantly lying to the consumer along the way...sometimes, you get what you deserve (although i do feel bad for anyone who was waiting for bulldozer to upgrade)

+1
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Originally Posted by Don Karnage;15292654 
Your going to get flamed by all the amd fans on this forum for this thread but what you said is 100% accurate.

No he isn't the way he put it was much more professional than the way other people have been saying it. Far less insulting as he did not take it to a personal level.
    
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I feel the worst for the people who updated to 9 series boards in anticipation of bulldozer based on skewed information from AMD.
    
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Quote:
Originally Posted by UbNub;15295533 
No he isn't the way he put it was much more professional than the way other people have been saying it. Far less insulting as he did not take it to a personal level.

This.
Too much BS about, good and bad. I value professional opinions, not personal opinions.
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