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Originally Posted by mrcooler View Post
Hi

I'm going to get a 1TB HDD and am currently looking at the WD caviar black 1TB.

Is there a faster 1TB 3.5" HDD on the market?

Thanks
Kramy has a bunch of good info there for you; I'll add a third-party review: http://techreport.com/articles.x/19330

"We're left with Samsung's Spinpoint F3, which is our clear favorite of the four. Not only does the F3 offer the best performance in all manner of sequential transfers, it's easily the quietest of the drives overall. I'm not thrilled by the fact that the F3's transaction rates drop off after 32 concurrent I/O requests, but that's not a condition many desktop users are likely to face. Besides, the Spinpoint certainly held its own in our disk-intensive multitasking tests, which are far more indicative of the sort of workloads produced by enthusiast desktops. Samsung doesn't give up much ground to the Caviar when it comes to random access times, either."
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And nobody will know how reliable they are for many months.

That's not as strong a vote of confidence as you'd think.
I guess you misunderstood what the disagreement was pointed at. He said that F3 are not as reliable as wd drives which is truly not correct. I did not say that wd drives arent reliable. Just to make sure that this leads into the right direction.

benches may be outdated, but its still one of the fastest hdds on the market and I only can repeat your last advice as I can repeat mine: either way, every hdd mentioned here is good enough. not taking ssd's into account.
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I guess you misunderstood what the disagreement was pointed at.
I think maybe you misunderstood?

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He said that F3 are not as reliable as wd drives which is truly not correct.
Actually, it probably is correct.

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I did not say that wd drives arent reliable. Just to make sure that this leads into the right direction.
Nobody said Samsung drives are not reliable. What was said is that they are less reliable, which is probably true, even if they remain 5x as reliable as Seagate drives. Being less reliable does not instantly diminish them to being utter crap.

But odds are significantly in his favour that his statement is more correct than yours.

If a WD drive has an average lifespan of 5-10 years, and Samsung drives average 4-8 years, then the Samsung drives are not as reliable as the WD drives. Just because Seagate drives average 0-4 years ( ) doesn't mean that "WD Drives are more reliable than Samsung drives" is false. (but I would clarify that statement to say WD Blacks, Raid Edition drives and Raptors are more reliable)


Prior to the F3's, reliability was not one of Samsung's strong points. I remember seeing Samsung drives go up in smoke and flames. Costly data recovery!
     
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post #14 of 19
1TB Caviar Black (I have one in my PC), 1TB Spinpoint F3 or one of those new Hitachi Deskstars. I'd pick any of them.
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post #15 of 19
I think the WD Black has a 5 year warranty vs. the F3's 3 year warranty if that matters to you. I vote for the Caviar Black.
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post #16 of 19
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Nobody said Samsung drives are not reliable. What was said is that they are less reliable, which is probably true, even if they remain 5x as reliable as Seagate drives. Being less reliable does not instantly diminish them to being utter crap.

But odds are significantly in his favour that his statement is more correct than yours.
I would say that the F3's are definately LESS reliable than the WD drives. I have over 300 of them at work in normal user machines that are not stressed in any way and have experienced approximately a 7-8% failure rate in the first year of operation!
I have never seen this rate of failures, in this time period, in any network I have ever worked, regardless of manufacturer.

Off topic I know, but.........
On a seperate note, I still do not see why people are so concerned with having a high capacity performance drive? I would never place my OS on a 1TB drive with my data, all eggs in one basket is a no no!
I would much rather have a lower capacity OS drive (pref SSD or WD Velociraptor) and my data disks (or array) as WD Green or other manufacturers eco drives.
How often do you really need to write data to your storage drives when you need to do it quickly? A standard 1TB drive for storage is sufficient. You can also easily RAID 0 two eco drives that spin at lower RPMs, use less power but still out perform a single instance 7200RPM drive.
Even if you don't want to put your hand in your pocket for an SSD and want to install your OS/APPS/Games on one mechanical drive you still don't need 1TB.
I know this doesn't cover everyones scenarios and maybe some poeple will disagree! Anyway, rant over!
     
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I would much rather have a lower capacity OS drive (pref SSD or WD Velociraptor) and my data disks (or array) as WD Green or other manufacturers eco drives.
Simplicity, cost, and compatibility with the host enclosure would be the main reasons people go with a one drive setup; setup correctly, it's certainly not all doom-and-gloom:

"The guys at TechwareLabs came up with an apparently nifty way to "transform" the 1.5 TB Barracuda 7200.11 hard disk drive into a VelociRaptor-killer. They claimed that their "modded" Barracuda 7200.11 hard disk drive delivered sequential transfer rates of 122-132 MB/s while the VelociRaptor could only do 95-99 MB/s. That implies that the "modded" Barracuda is 31% faster than the VelociRaptor!"

http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=658

Sure, you can run a multiple (OS/boot) drive setup, or even RAID, but it's not the panacea for all.
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Simplicity, cost, and compatibility with the host enclosure would be the main reasons people go with a one drive setup; setup correctly, it's certainly not all doom-and-gloom:

Sure, you can run a multiple (OS/boot) drive setup, or even RAID, but it's not the panacea for all.
I know this and agree completely, I said it wouldn't be the same for everyone but in my experience, the single most common failing component of any system is mechanical hard drives. So it makes me cringe when I find people looking for high capacity, performance mechanical disks. Obviously simple backup techniques can avoid any major data loss.

Never knew about that mod for the barracuda, interesting stuff. I have 2 Raptors in a stripe so they were performing almost as good as earlier generation SSDs, i'm just waiting to buy an SSD but the technology is advancing so rapidly that I keep refusing to bite the bullet!

The info about the Barracuda may be useful for the OP, although I haven't touched a Seagate drive for years in my own systems. They used to be my preferred manufacturer until about 6 years ago, it's been WD since then (excluding their rather crappy external drives) never had a WD fail on me in that time, i have RMA'd external drives for other people and had good, clean customer service from WD.
     
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I know this and agree completely
I'm certainly with you on WD drives; great performance, 5yr. warranty, and no issues whatsoever for me, to date.

You come across as intelligent, knowledgeable, and willing to take the time to learn how to properly configure a system for best performance; those three traits are patently absent outside a small fraction of the enthusiast community.
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