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Personally, I do agree with you, as I too have the ASUS P67 board, and it is great ..
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I'm not sure what you plan on using another PCI-E 1x slot for other than the sound card, but keep in mind you can use the Black full-length slot on 1x devices. General rule of thumb for PCI-E, is if it fits, it works.

But, I did not know about this .. in which case the issue I reported above could be worked around ..

Any thoughts on overclocking potential, on all the above listed boards? Though from whatever I've read, they're all quite identical ...
    
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I'm pretty interested in people's opinions too. Seems like the Z68 market is flooded with motherboards... ASRock, Gigabyte, ASUS, Intel...

What do people think about the recently released Intel Z68 board.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121533
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Originally Posted by SectorNine50;15296453 
Personally, I'd go with the ASUS board for a couple reasons:

-Has an Intel NIC
-Bluetooth 3.0 is built in
-A really nice UEFI BIOS
-Great heatsinks on the VRM's (The Gigabyte UD3's are small and just held on by thermal tape)
-A very nice power design (I don't like ASRock's V8+4 design very much...)

I'm not sure what you plan on using another PCI-E 1x slot for other than the sound card, but keep in mind you can use the Black full-length slot on 1x devices. General rule of thumb for PCI-E, is if it fits, it works.

Can you explain what you don't like about ASRock's and what you do like about ASUS? I'm not an electrical engineer but I do seem to smell a lot of gimmicks from these manufacturers regarding their various power delivery systems. Do you know of a good article explaining all of this?
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Originally Posted by pauldovi;15296755 
I'm pretty interested in people's opinions too. Seems like the Z68 market is flooded with motherboards... ASRock, Gigabyte, ASUS, Intel...

What do people think about the recently released Intel Z68 board.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121533

In the past, Intel boards have not supported overclocking. However, keep in mind the last time I had an Intel board was on Socket 478, and that may be different now that the NB is on the CPU's now.
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Can you explain what you don't like about ASRock's and what you do like about ASUS? I'm not an electrical engineer but I do seem to smell a lot of gimmicks from these manufacturers regarding their various power delivery systems. Do you know of a good article explaining all of this?

From what I can gather, the V8+4 is simply an 8 phase CPU power design with a 4 phases for the iGPU. The V8 portion of the naming scheme seems to just be a marketing gimmick.

The ASUS has a 12+4 design, so the CPU has 12 power phases and the iGPU has 4.

I'm no electrical engineer either, but from my research a higher phase count means more chokes and MOSFETs, and a generally more robust power delivery design. This means that overclocking performance should be better and more stable (and perhaps safer).

The power design is often a place that is skimped on to save money on the overall board design. I'm pretty sure ASRock is technically a budget spin-off of ASUS.

I know that MSI is rather criticized in the AMD realm for their motherboards because most of them are 4 phase. There have been a few instances of motherboards literally sparking and catching fire, sometimes at stock, other times overclocked.

Keep in mind that the power phases on AMD vs Intel are done differently, so even though 4 sounds extraordinarily low, it's actually enough for a 95W chip (MSI says they support 125W on some of their 4-phase boards, but it is not recommended by the community). The higher-end AMD boards have 8 phases, generally.

EDIT:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASRock
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i got a Asrock Z68 Extreme4 Gen3 and i love it. also at home i got what yo see in my sig rig and its even better. tbh i find the asrock's uefi bios a little cleaner and not overbloated as my home mobo
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Why not get the Asrock Extreme 7 Gen3?
I'm building a gaming rig for my friend and need some help in choosing a Z68 ATX board.
The Main points to consider are:
1. Good Overclocker (though my friend won't be going for insane overclocking, maybe, just a solid OC under air, around 5Ghz with 2500K)
2. Multi GPU support, with atleast x8 speeds.
3. Good number of expansion slots, both PCIe2.0 & PCI (Practical too, I have the ASUS P67 board and one of the 2 PCIe2.0 slots is wasted by the GPU.)
4. Future Proof

Ton's of PCI-E slots, should have an nf200, does tri sli, is future ready.
     
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the z68x ud4 is a 16phase design i own it and it is awesome. lots of features and has easy tune 6 in case you dont want to fiddle with manually OCing. it can only clock to 4.1 though
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DG170775;15293882 
1. Good Overclocker (though my friend won't be going for insane overclocking, maybe, just a solid OC under air, around 5Ghz with 2500K)
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5GHz OC on air sounds insane to me biggrin.gif
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post #18 of 28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Spykerv;15296982 
Why not get the Asrock Extreme 7 Gen3?
I'm building a gaming rig for my friend and need some help in choosing a Z68 ATX board.
The Main points to consider are:
1. Good Overclocker (though my friend won't be going for insane overclocking, maybe, just a solid OC under air, around 5Ghz with 2500K)
2. Multi GPU support, with atleast x8 speeds.
3. Good number of expansion slots, both PCIe2.0 & PCI (Practical too, I have the ASUS P67 board and one of the 2 PCIe2.0 slots is wasted by the GPU.)
4. Future Proof

Ton's of PCI-E slots, should have an nf200, does tri sli, is future ready.

Yes, I did see that board,k but, it's too pricey (~£240) for me. For that amount of money, I'd start looking at Maximus IV (~£270)...
    
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SectorNine50;15296892 
In the past, Intel boards have not supported overclocking. However, keep in mind the last time I had an Intel board was on Socket 478, and that may be different now that the NB is on the CPU's now.



From what I can gather, the V8+4 is simply an 8 phase CPU power design with a 4 phases for the iGPU. The V8 portion of the naming scheme seems to just be a marketing gimmick.

The ASUS has a 12+4 design, so the CPU has 12 power phases and the iGPU has 4.

I'm no electrical engineer either, but from my research a higher phase count means more chokes and MOSFETs, and a generally more robust power delivery design. This means that overclocking performance should be better and more stable (and perhaps safer).

The power design is often a place that is skimped on to save money on the overall board design. I'm pretty sure ASRock is technically a budget spin-off of ASUS.

I know that MSI is rather criticized in the AMD realm for their motherboards because most of them are 4 phase. There have been a few instances of motherboards literally sparking and catching fire, sometimes at stock, other times overclocked.

Keep in mind that the power phases on AMD vs Intel are done differently, so even though 4 sounds extraordinarily low, it's actually enough for a 95W chip (MSI says they support 125W on some of their 4-phase boards, but it is not recommended by the community). The higher-end AMD boards have 8 phases, generally.

EDIT:
It looks like ASRock is no longer owned by ASUS due to a restructuring.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASRock

My opinion is that there is a high likelihood that this whole power phase thing is a inflated benchmark of the devices performance. Analogous to how the cell phone / camera industry went nuts with MP's.... I might be wrong it just smells a lot like that.

Yeah ASRock is not a company I am extremely familiar with and thus I have some skepticism.

Intel has had performance oriented boards for a while now. (Since Core 2 really) They are always a little on the high price side, not very flashy, a little behind in the BIOS arena.... but they also have a feeling of reliability about them. The Intel Z68 board also supports DisplayPort and has built in Wifi N... a nice feature.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tipless;15296995 
the z68x ud4 is a 16phase design i own it and it is awesome. lots of features and has easy tune 6 in case you dont want to fiddle with manually OCing. it can only clock to 4.1 though

On Z68 chipsets, 16 phase generally means 12+4 as well.

P67 on the other hand, does not have the 4 phases for the iGPU since that chipset does not support it. However, you will sometimes see a +2, which are the phases for memory.

Always weird to me how they do phase numbering...
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