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post #11 of 55
Hello I like the op it has helped me understand a little bit more about bulldozer and how AMD maybe are working that plan of attack so to speak with mircoprocessing, will have a read of all links on op later when I am not on my phone.
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I'm thinking AMD may have to abandon bulldozer (they've sunk how much into BD's development?) and try a new approach. But that's just my opinion.
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post #13 of 55
Quote:
Originally Posted by MediaRocker View Post
Um, what are you talking about? Just because there's an Intel logo below my avatar doesn't make me a fanboy.

He made a comment and I responded. That's how forums work you know...

Can't anyone have a laugh at the naming convention? What.. if I had an AMD under my avatar then could I poke fun?

I'm not against AMD in any way shape or form, however Bulldozer is the biggest pile of fail to exist yet.

You can't simply add more cores to get more performance. It doesn't work that way without strengthening what allows those cores to function. AMD's approach to BD was "HEY LETS THROW MORE CORES ON A DIE GUIZE!" if you think otherwise.. they were supposed to release a 12 core!

We're already barely utilizing 4 cores! Why would we need 8?

I mean really, it couldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out it's architecture was going to have issues!

The last AMD advancement ever made was on the x64. Since then AMD hasn't really accomplished anything. I'm disappointed in AMD currently... they have a lot of work to do to bring themselves back up in caliber to what we saw years ago.

Sheesh. Tired of this fanboy crap...
AMD guy here. I will back you on this.

I am absolutely disgusted at this release personally. I wanted something to compete all around with the I-5 and I-7. And what we ended up with was a cpu that performs worse per core than a phenom II. The only thing it runs well in (which is a given) is applications that use more cores. and it barely does that compared to the 4 cored intels.

As I said before I helped two friends buy their new I-5 2500k systems because they wanted the best gaming rig for the money. I will gladly be upgrading to Ivy Bridge when it comes out.

I really wanted AMD to pull this off.
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post #14 of 55
Quote:
Originally Posted by MediaRocker View Post
I'm thinking AMD may have to abandon bulldozer (they've sunk how much into BD's development?) and try a new approach. But that's just my opinion.
I understand don't flog a dead horse but have you read the OP some good points made about BD, and some things will get better with time software ect
post #15 of 55
At the moment AMD is stuck with the BD architecture it would take way to long to develop a new one. Remember that everything from Athlon 64 to Phenom 2 thubans are on the same basic architecture. That's not to say AMD can't make some radical redesings to the BD architecture.

Edit: What worries me the most is the AMD road map that only shows a 15% increase in speed when Piledriver is supposed to launch.
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post #16 of 55
I think that 10-15% speed increase will be per core. In 2 years we will have 16 core AMD cpus. They should name it Eric Shun, Sandy's Rap*** or Bridge Cutter.

If AMD doesn't deliver, I don't think it will be around for much longer. We're in the middle of an economic crisis.
Edited by cloppy007 - 10/13/11 at 2:59pm
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post #17 of 55
AMD didnt just add more cores they completely made a new chip. If they would of took a phenom II and made it a 8 core ok. Iam tired of the ******* saying more cores. If you run a game at 1080 with a single 580 it performs good. BF3 benchmarks prove it. Is it the beat bang for the buck no. And how many people run 2 500 dollar video cards. On this site there are more than average but most dont. And reguardless the processor will sell people will see 8core and 4.2 turbo and buy it and it will perform to their expectations. I was no way going to buy bulldozer i just upgraded. But i hope its a good stepping stone to the next amd product. Oh and the people who cry about the power it draws i have never used that as a factor in buying a processor. Unless your folding 24/7 its a non issue. And all of this is from a gamers standpoint so i dont want to hear about bussiness care3 about electric bills.
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post #18 of 55
We'll see. All the evidence right now point to Bulldozer being inferior to SB. An 1100t is keeping up with bulldozer...that's pretty bad. I'm actually interested in a 1100t right now just because I already have a board that supports it any way. I don't want to pay more than $150 for it however. If I have to pay more than $150 I might as well buy a 2500k.

AMD needs to lower their prices to compete. That's the bottom line. Assume the worse, and don't buy an fx processor thinking it will improve in performance down the road.
    
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You all need to remember that Piledriver is not a new architecture, but simply a new CORE, same with Steamroller and Excavator. If the problem is the architecture (i.e. how the cache is used, etc.) then a new core isn't going to make much of a difference.

Now, I can maybe understand (or hope) that the Zambezi chips are "pipe cleaners" and I really sincerely hope it's software optimization that needs to be address. I don't buy that it was delayed to work on piledriver though. Otherwise Trinity (which uses piledriver cores) wouldn't have been pushed up. By the "pipe cleaner" theory though, the names make more sense: Bulldozer does the dirty work, is slow, but clears the way. Piledriver hammers down the foundation. Steamroller paves the road to the future. Excavator demolishes the competition.
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post #20 of 55
So... Piledriver next, another eternal wait begins?

Lol, I'm far from in a hurry, just bored and I hoped BD would bring some fun to the enthusiast crowd.
When are the high-end Piledrivers due anyway?
 
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