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ok so now that everyone is apparently saying that it cant be the motherboards fault it should have worked right out of the box ect ect there were no problems with sandybridge so it must be the chip

i take it all of you have forgotten that the ENTIRE line of sandy bridge boards was recalled due to a problem with the sata controller failing

not saying that effected performance like the problems the BD boards are having but, it just shows that no new product it perfect it takes time to get everything sorted out.

give it time guys and look at end user results with fixed bios that will tell the true story. I expect BD to perform between 2500/2600k and it does on the boards that dont apperantly have a crappy bios (anyone expecting miracles and a trouncing of intel were just dreaming sorry)
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Here is my truthful take on this: Do you remember all the terrible benchmarks that released from ES samples? Did you know the CH V was provided in the AMD test kit and has had multiple revisions of BIOSes which supported Bulldozer? Do you think AMD would send out a CPU/board with immature bios? I don't think so. Why do you think it was delayed so much from releasing? It was originally slated for 2009 and got pushed back so many times.

Performance just isn't there, Bulldozer is a flop because it can't even beat Phenom II in IPC. Just accept the truth. Windows 8 may provide better performance because of the scheduling, but we're talking only like a 10% advantage tops, which still makes it slower than Phenom II.

Furthermore I would like to expose the truth, which has already been exposed multiple times but not sure if everyone knows about this nonsense. Just note, I was gladly awaiting Bulldozer on another rig but it's so bad I'm not even going to bother. I don't side with one brand, I just tell the truth and buy price/performance. JF-AMD blatantly lying (see performance here) and here is the kicker. AMD comparing Bulldozer to a 980X (an EOL CPU anyway) in Cinebench when it's actually a 2500k. Instead of correcting the video they just lock the comments... This is blatantly misleading and you should come to realize the truth with the flop that is Faildozer. No magic bios or update is going to make performance much better...
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It's quite apparent that there are BIOS issues with Asus boards.

When running with better BIOS, the results drastically improve. This is a revolutionary new chip design, of course the motherboard manufacturers also need some time to do it right. Apparently ASRock got it right and Asus didn't.

As ASUS gets their ***** together, we should see some nice improvement. And as more modern software gets written next year, we'll see more and more FX 8150 > 2600k benchies.

Bulldozer is alive and well fellas and has a solid platform for competing with Intel.
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Here is my truthful take on this: Do you remember all the terrible benchmarks that released from ES samples? Did you know the CH V was provided in the AMD test kit and has had multiple revisions of BIOSes which supported Bulldozer? Do you think AMD would send out a CPU/board with immature bios? I don't think so. Why do you think it was delayed so much from releasing? It was originally slated for 2009 and got pushed back so many times.

Windows 8 may provide better performance because of the scheduling, but we're talking only like a 10% advantage tops, which still makes it slower than Phenom II.

Furthermore I would like to expose the truth, which has already been exposed multiple times but not sure if everyone knows about this nonsense. Just note, I was gladly awaiting Bulldozer on another rig but it's so bad I'm not even going to bother. I don't side with one brand, I just tell the truth and buy price/performance. JF-AMD blatantly lying (see performance here) and here is the kicker. AMD comparing Bulldozer to a 980X (an EOL CPU anyway) in Cinebench when it's actually a 2500k. Instead of correcting the video they just lock the comments... This is blatantly misleading and you should come to realize the truth with the flop that is Faildozer. No magic bios or update is going to make performance much better...
excuse me sir.

bulldozer fares much better on msi and asrock boards, flops on asus and gigabyte boards.

period.

no amount of explaining or referrals can change the fact that there is major difference in performance of the same chip in between these boards.

'just accept the truth'. WHICH truth ? the 'truth' that says there is no performance difference in between tests with these boards ?

we cannot accept any such truth. because, there is considerable performance difference in between those boards.

what happened in between asus and amd with their test partner contract, we can not know. they may swore by their pinky fingers even.

what does not change is, even as of the moment i type this sentence, nothing changed from just a few lines ago or the first time i opened this thread - there is still performance difference in between various boards.
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there is considerable performance difference in between those boards.
Exactly. All of the Day 1 reviews were done on Asus boards.

Now with a different board, the results are VERY much different.

This fact cannot be ignored...it's quite obvious that the motherboard was the bottleneck in those Day 1 tests. It's a new product, there are bound to be optimizations coming.

It probably won't be long until Asus releases a new bios that will fix their faulty one and the FX-8150 can really flex its muscles.
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I really don't get it... why Intel fanboys and people that are not planning to get Bulldozer inter a thread about bios problems or updates of AM3+ motherboard..so instead we clearing things up here we seeing stupid comment's from guys the shouldn't even care .
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I really don't get it... why Intel fanboys and people that are not planning to get Bulldozer inter a thread about bios problems or updates of AM3+ motherboard..so instead we clearing things up here we seeing stupid comment's from guys the shouldn't even care .
their presence in the thread is not so absurd. but their attempt to persuade people that there is no performance difference across different board brands and asus boards had the 'right' performance, is.
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I really don't get it... why Intel fanboys and people that are not planning to get Bulldozer inter a thread about bios problems or updates of AM3+ motherboard..so instead we clearing things up here we seeing stupid comment's from guys the shouldn't even care .

less competitive AMD chips = overpriced Intel processors

It's funny when you unable to see the obvious yet calling the others stupid at the same time.
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full review of FX 8150 on GIGABYTE UD7 990FX :

http://www.kitguru.net/components/cp...990fxa-ud7/19/
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That may be the case but it shouldn't matter. Bulldozer should have performed basically the same regardless of motherboards or video cards.
If you have a Ferrari running on flat tires, it's not going to run very fast even if it's a Ferrari. Do you blame it on the Ferrari or the flat tires?

Asus put out a faulty BIOS and BD is getting the blame.

Once Asus fixes their BIOS like what MSI and ASRock did, I suspect Tom's, Anandtech, etc will fall over themselves issuing new benchmarks for the new speedy FX-8150.
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