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post #121 of 231
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Originally Posted by one-shot;15303302 
Your opinion is clearly misguided and concluded without any factual evidence. Take a quick look at this review and you'll see how badly the FX 8150 performs with 3 GPUs at high resolutions.

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/4353/amd_fx_8150_vs_intel_i7_2600k_crossfirex_hd_6970_x3_head_to_head/index1.html

This review uses a highly overclocked 8150 and 3 6970s at high resolutions.

I patiently await your next excuse and hopefully you'll provide some proof instead of unfounded nonsense this time.
Do any of those games make use of 8 cores? poke.gif
post #122 of 231
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Originally Posted by Derp;15303413 
.... I not fanboying anything, I posted facts with links to back them up. I'm just another disappointed enthusiast. Calling someone a fanboy won't make the things AMD did go away.

You and a few others are being overly defensive and posting links to go back on the offensive when i simply have no dog in this fight.

You understood the content of what I had said but not the context. I was just simply noticing that it was odd to lose respect for a product maker that simply came up short, meanwhile overlooking it's direct competitors' past unlawful monopolistic schemes. All you saw was that I attacked Intel and you wanted to defend Intel, then counter against AMD.

Either way, I could care less about what AMD did or didn't do as I have no emotions invested in this for-profit company.
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post #123 of 231
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Originally Posted by FuNkDrSpOt;15303405 
Why would i lose respect for a company simply coming up short? Disappointed definitely but losing respect? That's reserved for law breaking and MAJOR management issues. Give me a story about how half of bulldozer's budget was blown on midget strippers and I'll agree with you. Until then, maybe you should consider that you guys are too emotionally invested in CPU companies.
How about Insider Trading stories.

How about False Advertising?

"Unrivaled. Unlocked. Unbelievable"
http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/processors/amdfx/Pages/amdfx.aspx?&lid=Get_8_Cores

Or, how about Hardware Reps being sent here to "Debunk" the real benchmarks that were previously released? Passing them off as fake. See my sig, and see this.
http://www.overclock.net/amd-cpus/1107646-bulldozer-pre-launch-faq.html

Don't get me started on their World Record "stunt" they pulled, when they themselves said that Megahertz didn't matter, and passed it off as a "myth". However, now they're marketing Bulldozer as the "World's Fastest CPU"
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The use of performance ratings does expose AMD to sniping from competitors and tech publications. The chipmaker aims to counter this by exposing what it calls the "megahertz myth" through industry dialogue. Long term, the company wants to promote the True Performance Initiative (TPI).

"This is intended to define a new, more accurate measure of processor performance and assist customers in understanding the benefits of PC performance."

In other words, AMD wants the world to accept benchmarks (as opposed to megahertz) will place its processors in the best light. There is nothing wrong with this: benchmarks are a moveable feast, and controversies over the performance of the Transmeta Crusoe, and the Pentium 4 when it first launched, show that standardised benchmarks are often not much cop.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/01/07/amd_combats_megahertz_myth/

Plus see this:
http://www.overclock.net/hardware-news/1116245-official-bulldozer-breaks-frequency-world-record-15.html#post14936976

Too many reasons to list as to why I've lost respect for AMD, when they are directly deceiving and talking down at customers. Back in the day, I wouldn't consider buying Intel CPU's.
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post #124 of 231
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Originally Posted by toX0rz;15303443 
Search for the meaning of 'fanboy', cuz youre looking more like one.

He was merely stating facts, that doesnt mean someone's a fanboy, but hopelessly trying to find excuses to justify a bulldozer chip eventhough its clear that it simply aint worth in any way sounds more like a fanboy to me :>.

I know we're approaching a circular conversation here but I'd like to point out what a fanboy statement is to me. It is the attempt to project emotions and feeling onto others, like the part of your post that I bolded.

Please tell me where I was 'hopelessly trying to find excuses'.....I wasn't. You are trying to project emotions onto me because you are emotionally invested in this argument when I could care less. In fact, I'm not even arguing about BD or its performance!

No where in this thread will you see me actively defending the new AMD stuff. If it's crap, it's crap. I made 2 points:

1st was that I hate how benchmarkers always remove the 'gpu bottleneck' when that's how 99% of PC gaming systems run, with 1 mid-level gpu @ 1080p, not without a gpu somewhere between 480p and 720p. I think it exaggerates the effect cpus have on the FPS and that's been my position for YEARS

2nd i was just making notice of someone having misplaced priorities.
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post #125 of 231
Everyone put the e-peens away and look at the facts please. And not the misguided and irrelevant information posted as facts. Let's sift through some info:

The Crosshair V board was used in most reviews as it came bundled by AMD.
Reviews not using that board generally got better results.
Reviews using faster memory got better results (ie reviews using 1333mhz cas9 memory scored less than 1866mhz cas9... go figure.) - What was used on the Intel platforms? Food for thought.
There are verified issues with core scheduling/cache thrashing in windows 7 with Zambezi; Windows 8 and Linux do not seem to be affected as badly (ie they get better results.)
BIOS/UEFI/Software optimisations are not mature, some boards showing better performance than others.
Low resolution gaming benchmarks are near worthless, they are designed to extrapolate performance gaps. Who games at 640x480 or 800x600 or 1024x768 these days?
The PhII X6 beats BD in some benchmarks.
BD beats the i5 in some benchmarks.
The CPU's are currently too expensive to be called competitive; the PhII X6 chips are currently cheaper.

Conclusion: Preliminary results find issues that need to be resolved be we can accurately gauge Zambezi's performance. Current performance is underwhelming.
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Can anyone answer my question: What games actually make use of 4+ cores?

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post #127 of 231
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Originally Posted by paulerxx;15303480 
Do any of those games make use of 8 cores? poke.gif

Lets see.. Metro 2033, Lost Planet 2, Dirt 3... yep.

Even if they wouldnt, just shows that AMD is going into the wrong direction -> MOAR COARS which is absolutely pathetic.

Rather have less but more powerful cores than more poor performing cores, obvious.
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Can anyone answer my question: What games actually make use of 4+ cores?

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Originally Posted by toX0rz;15303539 
Lets see.. Metro 2033, Lost Planet 2, Dirt 3... yep.

Even if they wouldnt, just shows that AMD is going into the wrong direction -> MOAR COARS which is absolutely pathetic.

Rather have less but more powerful cores than more poor performing cores, obvious.

Ahh alright thanks. BD is definitely a flop thus this far, maybe there's some problems with Windows 7, bios, schedulers, etc that can be fixed to increase performance. But right now it's a flop and there just isn't a way around it.

FLOP - a failed attempt to spank SB redface.gif
post #130 of 231
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Originally Posted by paulerxx;15303560 
Ahh alright thanks. BD is definitely a flop thus this far, maybe there's some problems with Windows 7, bios, schedulers, etc that can be fixed to increase performance. But right now it's a flop and there just isn't a way around it.

FLOP - a failed attempt to spank SB redface.gif

Well, I know these games are supposed to support and utilize 8 threads according to the developers but that doesnt mean that they're optimally being utilized to their maximum, possibly not which would mean there is still a theoretical headroom.

However, even with all 8 cores to the max, the 2600k is still significantly faster than Bulldozer so..
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