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Well if Windows 8 is supposed to fix the problem with Bulldozer has anyone tried loading the Windows 8 DEV build and trying benchmarks then???
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Let’s put the technical arguments aside for a moment. Only time can tell whether “Building for the Future†or not. It seems to me that AMD made some key (fundamental) mistakes. Here are few.

1.Do not release the product if it is not ready for the prime time. Based on most reviews here, it is clearly that Bulldozer doesn’t work well with current OS and hardware components. You can argument that its architecture may focus on future and may work better on new coming software and hardware components but it seems to me that this needs accommodation and coordination from software and hardware vendors which we all know that it is an extremely difficult task.
2.Less hassle and confusion are better (to customers). A typical customer just wants the new clip plug in and expects it will work better than previous gen chip as long as the minimum requirements are met. Don’t tell them that the issues will go away when new OS and hardware components come out or have to perform tons of patches. A great product should work better (than previous gen) under existing OS, software and hardware components and shows gradually improvement as new OS, software and hardware components come out. Unless you are diehard fan, can’t just spend hundreds and hope things will go well.
3.Maintain good communication between company and customers as well as partners. Always keep customers and partners update during the whole process. Nothing wrong to admit errors, move on and don’t cover things up. In Bulldozer this case, that youtube AMD advertise shows that they don’t have communication among development, production and marketing teams unless all parties are trying to crook something up.

They are business 101 and how the H… those smart guys can’t figure out.

Note: I have 2 intel and 3 amd rigs.
post #163 of 231
Why build a processor for the future, when it will be outdated at that point of time? I just dont understand AMD anymore. Unless they are telling me that 1.5FPS over the 2600k (and most likely the 2500k) in BF3 justifies the purchase, then wouldnt the much bigger FPS increase (compared to that 1.5FPS) in other games with the 2500k /2600k justify the purchase of the Intel chips even more? And don't get me started on the power consumption.

Let's just hope those programs that makes use of the "full" potential of the FX chips start appearing before Ivy Bridge drops in and wipes the floor clean.
    
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Well if Windows 8 is supposed to fix the problem with Bulldozer has anyone tried loading the Windows 8 DEV build and trying benchmarks then???
It still loses.. Although it is a closer battle.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...x,3043-23.html
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So basically you meant to say: "I hate benchmarks that show how far behind the bad CPU is compared to competition. I like the ones that limit better CPUs down to the level of the crappy ones."
Why is reading comprehension so hard for some of you guys to master? I couldn't find a simplier way to say my point and yet people STILL try to overanalyze the issue. So either you need to take a reading course at your local community college or you're yet another defensive fanboy that's unable to realize that people look at REAL WORLD performance and value before buying, not test conditions that will NEVER be duplicated once during your entire use. For those of you arguing that the <720p gaming tests are so important, when was the last time you playeda game at that same resolution, with your gpu turned off?

If on cpu doesn't measure up to another, that will be evident when the non-gaming benches are shown, so its not like I'm trying to hide anything either
    
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Why is reading comprehension so hard for some of you guys to master? I couldn't find a simplier way to say my point and yet people STILL try to overanalyze the issue. So either you need to take a reading course at your local community college or you're yet another defensive fanboy that's unable to realize that people look at REAL WORLD performance and value before buying, not test conditions that will NEVER be duplicated once during your entire use. For those of you arguing that the <720p gaming tests are so important, when was the last time you playeda game at that same resolution, with your gpu turned off?

If on cpu doesn't measure up to another, that will be evident when the non-gaming benches are shown, so its not like I'm trying to hide anything either
Even gaming at 1920 x 1200 AMD processors don't run at 60+ FPS depending on the game. I switched from a Phenom II 940 @ 3.7Ghz to an Intel rig because it was a bottle neck. I've gained almost 10+ FPS in most games when running both of my cards. But oh well I barely game anyway and a netbook with a zacate processor does all my needs.

And looking at value a Core i5 2500k is still considered a better buy for gaming than a 2600k or a FX-8150

Edit: AMD should of stuck with calling a quad core instead they thought that more consumers would buy it if it was a 8 core. Sad thing is mostly computer builders will buy these FX processors. Hopefully they didn't waste to much silicone on making these or hope programmers take advantage of these new instructions soon.
Edited by WannaBeOCer - 10/14/11 at 5:17pm
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post #167 of 231
That blog entry is just so much bumpf. The framerates are useless - sample size too small and the fluctuations alone around the central values probably render them meaningless within the overlapping uncertainties anyway. Would you really notice 39 fps over 37?

Also, no1curr about the future and what it may behold. That's as yet unwritten. What matters is that like the Pentium 4, the Bulldozer is a complete flop at running the large existing code out there without needing huge increases in speed to compensate for other drawbacks.
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lol...they won't allow any of my comments.

I say if Bulldozer is meant for the future, then they can give me one now, and
I'll pay for it when the performance doesn't suck.
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They will need a 12-Core BD to beat X6 PII.
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Even gaming at 1920 x 1200 AMD processors don't run at 60+ FPS depending on the game. I switched from a Phenom II 940 @ 3.7Ghz to an Intel rig because it was a bottle neck. I've gained almost 10+ FPS in most games when running both of my cards. But oh well I barely game anyway and a netbook with a zacate processor does all my needs.
Another member posted a link about AMD v Intel and multiGPUs. That's great and all but since I and a super-super-super majority of gamers will never run multi-gpu OR <720p (lol did i shorthand that right? Less than 720p ), I'd just like to see what the REAL WORLD numbers are. It helps me understand which is the better bang for my buck.

But for you, obviously the BD is not even going to be considered.

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And looking at value a Core i5 2500k is still considered a better buy for gaming than a 2600k or a FX-8150
It's been so long since I cared about CPUs....is that even with the pricing on mobos?

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Edit: AMD should of stuck with calling a quad core instead they thought that more consumers would buy it if it was a 8 core. Sad thing is mostly computer builders will buy these FX processors. Hopefully they didn't waste to much silicone on making these or hope programmers take advantage of these new instructions soon.
I'm curious to see how it'll all pan out. Personally though, I've been thinking more about buying Intel since they do a lot of production in the US.
    
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