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AMD needs better spin doctors. Performance per transistor is derp. There's no way to spin this to investors. They need 2B transistors to match the performance of a 2600k(~1B transistors), and it has a MSRP $100 lower. Profit margins will be garbage unless AMD's lack of R&D can balance it out.
 
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Q6600 @ 3.6Ghz is no slow CPU for most game but once you start playing SC2 fps drop to 20s. Same could be said for PII, SB in the other hand stand 40fps+.
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post #173 of 231
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Originally Posted by ZealotKi11er View Post
Q6600 @ 3.6Ghz is no slow CPU for most game but once you start playing SC2 fps drop to 20s. Same could be said for PII, SB in the other hand stand 40fps+.
Since I have a PII, i can only assume you're referring to this scenario w/o a GPU because I never hit 20's.
    
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the one that makes me laugh the most is everyone crying about Civ V benchmarks. what hardcore gamer plays that crap? I'm so over everyone complaining about this chip. if you dont like it DONT BUY IT pretty simple. there are now a dozen threads with the same circle jerk of people going back and forth on how the 2500k and 2600k are better. GREAT buy them. The same arguments back and forth for 200 pages is getting ridiculous. This is a forum, not an arena. Feel free to post your opinions but don't try to push them onto others.
Roger that September 2011.
    
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Since I have a PII, i can only assume you're referring to this scenario w/o a GPU because I never hit 20's.
Yeah games with a lot of units. I was playing 4 vs 4 with my brother and he stated to notice the lag ~ 15 mins after the game. I never hit that lag part.
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Because you are going to notice a 0.7 FPS difference w/ 2500k or 1.6FPS difference w/ 2600K at the resolution

Bulldozer is a step forward for AMD despite everything. It is an improvement on K10, even on power consumption. Bulldozer is essentially an 8 core design. All of them are unlocked, unlike Sandy Bridge, which has only the 2500K and the 2600K unlocked (IIRC).

I think, as with any new architecture, there are are a few issues that need to be resolved, but this is why they will release a new stepping.

And if bulldozer is as bad as you say. Don't buy it. Bulldozer's release does mean that the viability of a Thuban is increase as its price decreases.

How many people bought P4 when intel released it? Enough people for intel to use the money to revert back to a PIII based design.If there is something fundamental wrong with the architecture, AMD will revert back to the K10 architecture.
So, Are you going to be buying Bulldozer?
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Yeah games with a lot of units. I was playing 4 vs 4 with my brother and he stated to notice the lag ~ 15 mins after the game. I never hit that lag part.
a) What resolution is your brother playing at
b) Does he not have a GPU?
    
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AMD needs better spin doctors. Performance per transistor is derp. There's no way to spin this to investors. They need 2B transistors to match the performance of a 2600k(~1B transistors), and it has a MSRP $100 lower. Profit margins will be garbage unless AMD's lack of R&D can balance it out.
amd payed per good dies for this gen ... making it a per cpu sold basis


if amd can sell out alot of server cpu's they will deffinatly make up for their total R&D ... that cray deal is worth how much ???


add on top the other server sales + desktop sales to wich we wont know until a while ...


how much transistors is on a die is stupid ... it's all about how you use em ... and if amd needed to do their core like this for future use ... then so be it ...


and if amd's schedule of improvement is really on a yearly basis and never skips a beat it is still better then the amd of the past ...


so planning ahead is what they do ... they did mess up with bulldozer .. but in the long run this new architecture does have some strong point
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how much transistors is on a die is stupid ... it's all about how you use em ... and if amd needed to do their core like this for future use ... then so be it ...


and if amd's schedule of improvement is really on a yearly basis and never skips a beat it is still better then the amd of the past ...
How many transistors on a die is not stupid because there is a direct correlation to power consumption and, more importantly, profit margin (less dies per wafer and increased probability of defects). The FX has twice the number of transistors compared to SB yet doesn't really compete even with the 2500k. Plus, SB even has an integrated GPU (not counting the performance of it, just the additional transistors). I wonder how AMD can make more efficient use of the transistors, either to lower the transistor count or to increase performance on the next iterations.

It took AMD six years to bring out BD and they want to promise 10-15% increase in performance every year? This sounds a bit lofty. That and given their past track record with CPU releases, I'm going to hold my breath for it. It'll be great if it does happen... I really really look forward to a more competitive race between Intel and AMD.
    
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Even with 15% performance increase per year, it'll take them 2 years to catch up to the 2600K.
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