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Looking at some of the sticky threads I feel discouraged in trying to set one up. I was thinking that all I have to do was...

-Connect SSD to Onboard Intel Controller
-Update Firmware
-Change IDE to AHCI in BIOS
-Reinstall Windows
-Activate TRIM (How?)

Would going through all those optimization threads actually improve write lifespan...or make it better overall in performance?

The availability of eVGA GTX580 1.5GB Classified cards is pushing me away from upgrading...so I'm thinking of just sticking with my GTX275 SLI for a bit longer and trying out an SSD. So far the Crucial M4 512GB is looking like what I may be looking for since the Intel 320 Series 600GB price is a little nasty considering it's almost like ~$150 difference between them in price per GB (if my calculations are correct). I do need the capacity as I install everything onto my OS drive so ~400GB will be used. My only actual concern is the write degradation. Would I have to worry about that with a drive filled to 80% and doing some extra installations with games when modding? I heard that some drives continue to write even when idle...is this a concern since I leave my computer on 24/7 (µTorrent server). I know the sequential reads will be lower since I'm not connecting it to a SATA 6Gb/s port...any big effects on that?
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SSDs are very simple to set up. While those tweaks may increase life span, it will work perfectly without them. What I usually do is the following few things. Update firmware, run in AHCI mode, install latest Intel RST drivers, disable hibernate, run SSD Tweaker. That's all I do and it's worked out pretty well for me. I disable pagefile but that's only because my SSD is only 64GB. Trim is normally on if your drivers are installed correctly and there are no issues.

SSD Tweaker is a program that automatically does most of the tweaks for SSDs, it's free too.
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SSDs are not that hard. Alot of the optimization forums help you save space. If you buy a 64 GB drive, turning off system restores/hibernation/page file all help squeeze as much as possible onto the drive. If you go with a single 512, a lot of those are not necessary, although still possible if you think you will fill 512GBs of space with apps and games. I think it may be a bit more financially helpful if you got a 128GB SSD (Crucial is highly recommended here) and a good TB WD black drive to store any apps that dont fit on the SSD, your wallet may thank you.
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The answer to the thread title actually has a very simple answer: "Nope!"

For the most part, it's no different from setting up a hard drive because solid state drives are just a different type of drive.

With these modern SSDs, doing any or all of those tweaks in any of those guides doesn't really make any difference anymore. They are so advanced that it just doesn't matter. The only thing that really matters is AHCI mode.
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Thanks fellow members. Going to hit up

to get the SSD. Curious though...what's the story of the transfer kit? Would I better off using that or doing a fresh install? Wouldn't mind shedding off some time cause it does takes me a day or so to get up and running again with everything installed.
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Now that I have gotten my initial quick reply out of the way, I think I can go into more detail now.


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Looking at some of the sticky threads I feel discouraged in trying to set one up. I was thinking that all I have to do was...

-Connect SSD to Onboard Intel Controller
-Update Firmware
-Change IDE to AHCI in BIOS
-Reinstall Windows
-Activate TRIM (How?)
Updating the firmware may not even be needed.

Activating TRIM isn't necessary, but I think that checking to see if the TRIM command is being sent is. To check, do this:
  1. Open the Start menu and type cmd.exe
  2. Right-click the matching result and choose "Run as administrator"
  3. Type fsutil behavior query disabledeletenotify and press Enter
  4. If you get "DisableDeleteNotify = 0", then it's good.
  5. If you get anything else, then type fsutil behavior set disabledeletenotify 0 and press Enter
  6. Type exit and press Enter

However, only the Intel controller is compatible with the TRIM command. So it's good that you are going to connect it to an Intel port instead of a Marvell port.


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Originally Posted by pvp309rcp View Post
Would going through all those optimization threads actually improve write lifespan...or make it better overall in performance?
Fortunately, this is no longer necessary. Back in the days when the original Vertex drives were the best (the Indilinx Barefoot firmware drives), it was important to perform tweaks to minimize the unnecessary writes and what not. However, today's SSDs are so advanced that it's just not necessary anymore.


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The availability of eVGA GTX580 1.5GB Classified cards is pushing me away from upgrading...so I'm thinking of just sticking with my GTX275 SLI for a bit longer and trying out an SSD. So far the Crucial M4 512GB is looking like what I may be looking for since the Intel 320 Series 600GB price is a little nasty considering it's almost like ~$150 difference between them in price per GB (if my calculations are correct). I do need the capacity as I install everything onto my OS drive so ~400GB will be used. My only actual concern is the write degradation. Would I have to worry about that with a drive filled to 80% and doing some extra installations with games when modding?
Fortunately, it's not a concern anymore. However, it used to be (again, back in the days of the Indilinx Barefoot drives and even before that). One of the reasons for being concerned about filling the drive up back then was that it reduced the free space for wear-leveling. This is no longer a concern because now there's more than enough hidden, inaccessible space reserved for it.


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I heard that some drives continue to write even when idle...is this a concern since I leave my computer on 24/7 (µTorrent server). I know the sequential reads will be lower since I'm not connecting it to a SATA 6Gb/s port...any big effects on that?
I haven't heard of any drives continuing to write even when idle, but thanks to how advanced these drives are, I'm not worried.


So yeah, keep it simple and it will keep you happy.
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Thanks again TwoCables. Put some headaches at ease...I guess I'll just do a fresh install. I hope to not have problems with TRIM working since a new install may not have it working right away (need to reinstall Intel drivers).
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Thanks again TwoCables. Put some headaches at ease...I guess I'll just do a fresh install. I hope to not have problems with TRIM working since a new install may not have it working right away (need to reinstall Intel drivers).
You're welcome!

It should be working right away, but I think Intel's Rapid Storage Technology helps improve TRIM's performance.
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This is such a popular subject and I just got my M4 128 today and have updated Mobo bios to 1904 and enabled hot plug on both 6gb ports. SO now I just need to know which rapid storage drivers to install that are listed on ASUS download page for my mobo.
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This is such a popular subject and I just got my M4 128 today and have updated Mobo bios to 1904 and enabled hot plug on both 6gb ports. SO now I just need to know which rapid storage drivers to install that are listed on ASUS download page for my mobo.
This one:

http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Deta...&DwnldID=20215

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Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) 
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Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate 
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i5-2500K @ 4.5GHz (1.368-1.384V fixed voltage) ASUS P8P67 EVO B3 (UEFI ver. 1850) GTX 780 ASUS DirectCU II (1228 / 6300, 1.180V) G.SKILL Ripjaws X 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1866MHz, CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (C:\) 250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (D:\) 150 GB WD VelociRaptor Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate 
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Basic, but premium round X-Fi Titanium HD Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 (with 16 AWG Monster Cable... 
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