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Originally Posted by lowfiwhiteguy;15302516 
So, given this week's Bulldozer fiasco and the fact that for several years, AMD has dogged behind Intel by a considerable margin in their CPU game, do you think that there is a risk that they may quit producing desktop CPUs altogether?
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Sigh. What do you think?

It depends on the mentality of the people who run the joint... Are they "quitters?" Most large companies need leaders who drive the company forward with passion, with any luck, they will sort things out and get some leadership in place that can do just that. I have no reason to believe that any company would throw in the towel due to a less than ideal product launch scenario unless it completely bankrupted them.

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Originally Posted by Forty;15302547 
I honestly do not think that AMD will withdraw from building CPU's because that would mean everyone would have to buy Intel or someone will have to build a new company from the ground up...

I believe the above is based in false premise...
  • Nobody has to buy anything from anyone in a free market.
  • No company has to stay open to prevent someone from being "forced" to buy something else.
  • Nobody can be forced to build a company.

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Originally Posted by sLowEnd;15302566 
Llano has been pretty well received, actually.
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Originally Posted by catharsis;15302614 
I doubt it. Even though bulldozer is pretty terrible. They still have Llano which is a great chip for its market position. ....
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Originally Posted by SectorNine50;15302674 
Llano is a fantastic platform as well.

While I realize that llano has some respectable characteristics for a more well rounded portable at certain price points, I can't quite figure out why llano has been so well received on the desktop? Personally I was just as disappointed with llano as I am with BD.

The desktop models have lower IPC than phenom II, higher cost, higher power consumption and lower performance than intel Sandy Bridge Celeron and Pentiums series coupled with dedicated GPUs.

When you factor the price gap between entry level FM1 boards and 1155 boards, and the price gap between the higher RAM speeds needed to run llano GPU without bottlenecking into the cost of the CPU/GPU selection, llano is not competitive with anything. You can buy a cheaper mobo, and cheaper RAM, and get a better CPU and GPU with Sandy Bridge for the same money, resulting in greater performance all around and lower power consumption.
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Originally Posted by Skrumzy;15302697 
I honestly think that AMD will be pulling from the CPU market for consumers and it will be replaced by a pure APU marketing model. ...

Lets hope not all things considered.

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Originally Posted by SeigiSama;15303239 
Without any type of Competition intel will charge whatever the hell they want to for X86 Consumer CPU's because there will be no competitive products to drive down prices. They will stop caring about innovation and just keep feeding you the same chip. Sure ivy-bridge will probably be a great chip... however will it still be a great chip 10 years from now? Probably not. Without competition you would be able to find out.

I don't think anyone has to worry about this. The above premise requires that the consumer is somehow forced to purchase said products. I am not aware of any place on earth where said condition exists. Furthermore, If AMD threw up their hands and wanted to get out of the game they would not just implode and disappear. The company would almost certainly be bought up and restructured.

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Originally Posted by Out2kill;15302677 
The government would prevent Intel from gaining a complete monopoly.
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Originally Posted by AMDrocks;15304887 
Nah, They ain't going anywhere soon, Plus, If Intel has a complete monopoly (which virtually they already have), The government will intervene.
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Originally Posted by newbrevolution;15305881 
^This^ There are laws against it,....
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Originally Posted by Fatalrip;15302763 
Intel would give them money before that happened.

Without wrongful conduct leading to a monopoly, there is absolutely nothing illegal about a monopoly in and of itself. The government can not legally force a company to stay in business to bring competition to the market, and they can not legally force a company into existence to bring competition to the market.

Granted, that assumes that the government would operate within the confines of law. Recent history suggests that this is not always the case.




BD, while not what we hoped for (by a long shot), is not a completely dysfunctional chip or anything. For now, the smart consumer should know that the price point is inflated because it is new and shiny. In time, the price of BD chips will have to come down to match their appropriate position on the performance ladder if they want to keep selling them. I imagine within 6-12 months time, Most BDs will be in the $100-200 range, intermingled with the CPUs they should be competing with. If the 8150 was priced to match the i5-2400 today, there would be no reason for outrage because it would be a good value alternative to the 2400, especially for users of large productivity apps or over-clocking enthusiasts.

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Pretty much.
You are either new to computers and dont understand how the industry works, or you are trolling.

Not a chance.
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I think AMD should carry on what they do, that is sell their processors for a lot less than Intel do. Less performance for a cheaper price.

Personally i prefer to pay for performance
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Based on Bulldozer they already withdrew.
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No, prebuilt computers use AMD quite a bit and their APU's are very good in laptops and basically beat Intel netbooks. It would take a complete annihilation from Intel to wipe them out in every area; netbook, mobile, desktop, and server. Which they are pretty close to considering retail parts, not prebuilts.
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