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post #31 of 120
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I shouldn't even dignify that with a response. "Consolestards"? Social stigma? I don't know about you, but I think there's a stronger stigma against telling people you play video games for a living than telling them you play video games every once in a while for fun.

And I guess we should be angry with all those casual "sportstards" for doing what's fun instead of doing something to display skill. Anyone who plays sports once in a while with friends and doesn't intend to join a sports league is not a real sports fan, after all. They're holding back sports! I seriously can't comprehend elitism like this, and I hate using that term. Gaming isn't a responsibility. How should gaming become more relevant? Through mainstream integration and artistic initiative on the behalf of developers, not a niche group of "professional" gamers that make up .00002% of us.
There should be no stigma at all with gaming but there is and people cant tell the difference between some idiot who plays mario kart all day and someone who plays an Esport like SC2, Quake, CS, and w/e fighting games.

Sports is understood to be something you can do for fun casually AND as a profession and has a positive reception. You can put a member of a sports team on your college resume and get money for it. People will respect a pro player for sports and recognize it took hard work to get there. The people who cant be good watch sports and recognize the skill and tactics and enjoy watching it because its entertainment and skillful.

I mean you are a gamer and look how ignorant you are. How can we expect society as a whole to understand gaming when the majority of gamers think things like consoles are fine or controllers are good.

I want gaming to be on the same tier as sports and I want society to recognize that gaming takes a huge amount of dedication and skill. Holding gaming back with ignorance and artificial skill caps is a crime.
post #32 of 120
I am not talking about precision or skill. If you get that from my post you are fail.

Calling someone stupid or ignorant because they don't like m/kb is pretty ignorant of your self. I play with both. I'd tell you, if I could be as good with a m/kb with a controller I would play with the controller. Why? It's called comfort. You can get ergonomic this and that, but at the end of the day, the controller allows you more freedom play the game anywhere. PC controls are limited to a hard surface, it is mandatory in order for it to work correctly.

I play in my bed, in my chair, sitting on the floor standing off to the side if there are people in my room. Controllers also do not cramp my hands like a m/kb does. The xbox 360 controller is way more natural feeling in terms of contouring to your hands and allows you to play longer without the risk of, if you're like me, cramping.

I'm not one of those people who play that are "omg I got to get the most headshot, have the best k/d ratio, etc". I'm that guy in BC2 that if I get to the top and my team wins great, if I'm in the middle of the charts and my team still wins, great I am just as happy. I don't have the unyielding need to be the best. I play games to have fun not to prove my e-peen or be at the top of some meaningless chart. And for me to have fun, I must be comfortable. A controller offers that comfort.

Trust me if I could go toe to toe with some of the best PC players with a controller, I would. But since I want to be on a level playing field I play with m/kb unless the game allows controllers.

Examples of games where a controller is better than kb/m to me:

Batman AA
Batman AC (I'm assuming it will be like AA)
Fallout 3
Oblivion
Assassin's creed all of them
Just cause 2
GTA
Street Fighter games
Classic game remakes on the PC like Sonic or sonic adventure
Sonic Generations (an assumption that it will play better with controller)
Darkness 2(getting it for PC but with assumption it will play just fine with controller like it did on 360)
Bioshock 1 and 2 (I played on both xbox and pc, had no problem with controller)

There's more I'm not thinking of. But all of those games have something in common. They aren't twitch FPS games or RTS. FPS and RTS are the only games where a mouse an keyboard actually have an advantage over a controller in terms of control-ability. But if you want to be able to remove your self from the requirement of playing on a hard surface then a controller does that and it does it pretty damn well.
Edited by matty0610 - 10/14/11 at 5:11am
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There should be no stigma at all with gaming but there is and people cant tell the difference between some idiot who plays mario kart all day and someone who plays an Esport like SC2, Quake, CS, and w/e fighting games.

Sports is understood to be something you can do for fun casually AND as a profession and has a positive reception. You can put a member of a sports team on your college resume and get money for it. People will respect a pro player for sports and recognize it took hard work to get there. The people who cant be good watch sports and recognize the skill and tactics and enjoy watching it because its entertainment and skillful.

I mean you are a gamer and look how ignorant you are. How can we expect society as a whole to understand gaming when the majority of gamers think things like consoles are fine or controllers are good.

I want gaming to be on the same tier as sports and I want society to recognize that gaming takes a huge amount of dedication and skill. Holding gaming back with ignorance and artificial skill caps is a crime.
So anyone who plays games as games is inferior to you and you want to be an image-whore to society. Got it, thanks for your contributions. Good luck with that. Anyone who plays Mario Kart is an idiot compared to you because if you don't play games for the skill involved you're just stupid. Guess what? We do have E-Sports, and the reason it's not taken seriously is because the people that play competitively are a tiny minority among gamers.
post #34 of 120
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There should be no stigma at all with gaming but there is and people cant tell the difference between some idiot who plays mario kart all day and someone who plays an Esport like SC2, Quake, CS, and w/e fighting games.

Sports is understood to be something you can do for fun casually AND as a profession and has a positive reception. You can put a member of a sports team on your college resume and get money for it. People will respect a pro player for sports and recognize it took hard work to get there. The people who cant be good watch sports and recognize the skill and tactics and enjoy watching it because its entertainment and skillful.

I mean you are a gamer and look how ignorant you are. How can we expect society as a whole to understand gaming when the majority of gamers think things like consoles are fine or controllers are good.

I want gaming to be on the same tier as sports and I want society to recognize that gaming takes a huge amount of dedication and skill. Holding gaming back with ignorance and artificial skill caps is a crime.
This made me laugh. It's just a silly computer game...
post #35 of 120
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So anyone who plays games as games is inferior to you and you want to be an image-whore to society. Got it, thanks for your contributions. Good luck with that. Anyone who plays Mario Kart is an idiot compared to you because if you don't play games for the skill involved you're just stupid. Guess what? We do have E-Sports, and the reason it's not taken seriously is because the people that play competitively are a tiny minority among gamers.
Exactly. Plus sports or video games does not mean that you have to try to be the best. Why would I want to turn something that I enjoy as a hobby into a full time job? The purpose of a hobby is to like it on your own terms. If you end up being great good for you. Here's a cookie. But I and like many other people don't feel the need to be great. And I could careless about E-sports just like I could careless about real sports.

Why should I try to be the best when in the end all I'm going to get is my name on a chart? You can continue to say E-sports this and that, but thats only for those who want to make money playing against people who do nothing but game all day and night. I don't game all day and night. I game when I'm bored or when I have a new game I want to play. I game for entertainment, not proving my worth to an unknown society that could give a rat's ass about me. Why should I work hard at being at the top of the charts for something I like doing on and off?

And those that don't accept gaming and view it as a social stimga, well I can just say F-them. I don't see extreme stamp collecting. And if anything that has a bigger social stigma as portrayed by the media in movies in what not. Gloating over a piece of paper with some ink on it as they put it. Gaming is a way of socializing with people. Gaming is a good way to make friends. Gaming is no different than playing a sport when it comes to socializing
Edited by matty0610 - 10/14/11 at 5:22am
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post #36 of 120
I will end this debate right now. For shooters and RTS games, yes KBM is far superior. Any other game be it racing, RPG, Platform, etc. they are 100% the same with absolute zero advantage.


If you pit a 5 man professional gaming team with keyboard and mouse vs a 5 man professional gaming team with controllers in a game of Team Fortress 2. The controller team will lose every time guaranteed. Its like NFL vs NCAA.
Edited by BeerPowered - 10/14/11 at 5:29am
post #37 of 120
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I will end this debate right now. For shooters and RTS games, yes KBM is far superior. Any other game be it racing, RPG, Platform, etc. they are 100% the same with absolute zero advantage.
I'd say m/kb gives a far greater advantage in RPGs than it does in FPSs.. not sure why posing your side of argument is "ending this debate right now".
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I'd say m/kb gives a far greater advantage in RPGs than it does in FPSs.. not sure why posing your side of argument is "ending this debate right now".
Lets take RPGS as of late. Elder Scrolls, Dragon Age, Mass Effect. I can do absolutely everything with a controller that I can do with a KBM. Diablo, Torchlight same thing applies. There is zero advantage to a KBM.
Edited by BeerPowered - 10/14/11 at 5:37am
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Lets take RPGS as of late. Elder Scrolls, Dragon Age, Mass Effect. I can do absolutely everything with a controller that I can do with a KBM.
No, you can't. Besides the fact that you can bind dozens of keys on a keyboard, which you can't do on a controller, Dragon Age on the PC gives ridiculously more complexity in combat. They're completely different games; on the console DA plays like your regular hack and slash action game, on the PC you need to tank/heal/damage and plan out each move accordingly.
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They're completely different games; on the console DA plays like your regular hack and slash action game, on the PC you need to tank/heal/damage and plan out each move accordingly.
I can do all that with a controller. Same way you do it on a PC. I can bind all my attacks to the controller. Console version I can Pause and switch chars, setup combos, heals, tank targets, etc. Everything via controller.

Also I own all those games on both PC and console. Hell I have purchased DA Origins 4 separate times.
Edited by BeerPowered - 10/14/11 at 6:10am
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