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post #41 of 120
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Originally Posted by Narzon View Post
So anyone who plays games as games is inferior to you and you want to be an image-whore to society. Got it, thanks for your contributions. Good luck with that. Anyone who plays Mario Kart is an idiot compared to you because if you don't play games for the skill involved you're just stupid. Guess what? We do have E-Sports, and the reason it's not taken seriously is because the people that play competitively are a tiny minority among gamers.
I actually dont care what society or anyone thinks. However I think gaming is extremely skillful and it IS going to become equal to sports even if not right now and you are going to look really stupid. E-sports is exploding its just that in Asian countries/culture gaming is a lot more acceptable where in the West its basically looked at as a toy for a child. Look at South Korea for example they actually have games at the level of sports, its just a matter of time until the gamers who were frowned upon become the adults of tomorrow, which is already happening, and want to see their beloved games on TV (such as Starcraft). There are already many 30-40 year old gamers that have a lot of money from their normal jobs and they love video games and E-sports so they sponsor or watch it. This is the future. Its just a matter of time when the people who think gaming is stupid aren't in power and the people who grew up with games take those positions.

To accelerate the growth of E-sports and make gaming better on the whole its important to educate people that their is skill and that gaming is an art not a joke. Skillcaps need to be increased and games need to be competitive. Consoles make games ****ty and hold back gaming as a whole not just E-sports. Thats why PC gaming is so important because it is the future of gaming.

Consoles, achievements, controllers, ports, simplifying games, and general ignorance about gaming are the problems with gaming. I dont care if there are a bunch of consoletards and casuals but I do care when they hurt the progress of gaming by being satisfied with the garbage put before them.
post #42 of 120
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Originally Posted by Ploppytheman View Post
I actually dont care what society or anyone thinks. However I think gaming is extremely skillful and it IS going to become equal to sports even if not right now and you are going to look really stupid. E-sports is exploding its just that in Asian countries/culture gaming is a lot more acceptable where in the West its basically looked at as a toy for a child. Look at South Korea for example they actually have games at the level of sports, its just a matter of time until the gamers who were frowned upon become the adults of tomorrow, which is already happening, and want to see their beloved games on TV (such as Starcraft). There are already many 30-40 year old gamers that have a lot of money from their normal jobs and they love video games and E-sports so they sponsor or watch it. This is the future. Its just a matter of time when the people who think gaming is stupid aren't in power and the people who grew up with games take those positions.

To accelerate the growth of E-sports and make gaming better on the whole its important to educate people that their is skill and that gaming is an art not a joke. Skillcaps need to be increased and games need to be competitive. Consoles make games ****ty and hold back gaming as a whole not just E-sports. Thats why PC gaming is so important because it is the future of gaming.

Consoles, achievements, controllers, ports, simplifying games, and general ignorance about gaming are the problems with gaming. I dont care if there are a bunch of consoletards and casuals but I do care when they hurt the progress of gaming by being satisfied with the garbage put before them.
But, do you not understand, a good 90% of gamers just don't care about e-sports. I'm a PC gamer and I think e-sports is sad.

It will never explode and become as big as physical sports...
post #43 of 120
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Originally Posted by BeerPowered View Post
I can do all that with a controller. Same way you do it on a PC. I can bind all my attacks to the controller. Console version I can Pause and switch chars, setup combos, heals, tank targets, etc. Everything via controller.

Also I own all those games on both PC and console. Hell I have purchased DA Origins 4 separate times.
So four face button is the same as being able to use an entire keyboard to bind abilities? Sorry, I don't see where you're coming from. Even if you can do all the things you mentioned with controllers, to say there's not an advantage with the keyboard is just flat-out lying. Navigating a command rose is a lot less convenient than hitting a button.
post #44 of 120
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Originally Posted by Ploppytheman View Post
I actually dont care what society or anyone thinks.
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in Asian countries/culture gaming is a lot more acceptable where in the West its basically looked at as a toy for a child.
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Its just a matter of time when the people who think gaming is stupid aren't in power and the people who grew up with games take those positions.

..Yeah, despite your first sentence, you clearly do care what people think. You view gaming as an artform, so you think people who don't are just stupid. Do you really not see the arrogance you display with this kind of view point? It's a video game, buddy. You may want it to be a sport or an art or whatever else. Some of us like games. Don't expect us to comply with your selfish desires just because you want us to.


EDIT: I have to ask, what does whoever is in power have to do with what society dictates? You think there's some higher-level committee that comes together and decides:
TODAY GAMES ARE STUPID TOYS
and that at some point in the future people like you are going to be elected into this council and change that?
Edited by Narzon - 10/14/11 at 6:23am
post #45 of 120
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Originally Posted by Narzon View Post
So four face button is the same as being able to use an entire keyboard to bind abilities? Sorry, I don't see where you're coming from. Even if you can do all the things you mentioned with controllers, to say there's not an advantage with the keyboard is just flat-out lying. Navigating a command rose is a lot less convenient than hitting a button.
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about as you have never played the console version of the game. ANYTHING the keyboard can do with that game, so can the controller, and I really mean ANYTHING. I own and have beaten both versions of the game multiple times.
post #46 of 120
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Originally Posted by BeerPowered View Post
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about as you have never played the console version of the game. ANYTHING the keyboard can do with that game, so can the controller, and I really mean ANYTHING. I own and have beaten both versions of the game multiple times.

Uh huh. Gamertag NiCkLeEyE, played Dragon Age and ME1 on 360 before getting them for PC. It really helps to ask before you start laying out my experience as "fact". On the PC you can bind an entire action bar of abilities. On the console you're limited to 3 abilities with a modifier, the rest has to be done with a command-rose style layout. I prefer hitting a button to heal, instead of holding a trigger and navigating to it. But hey, that's just me.
post #47 of 120
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Originally Posted by matty0610 View Post
I am not talking about precision or skill. If you get that from my post you are fail.

Calling someone stupid or ignorant because they don't like m/kb is pretty ignorant of your self. I play with both. I'd tell you, if I could be as good with a m/kb with a controller I would play with the controller. Why? It's called comfort. You can get ergonomic this and that, but at the end of the day, the controller allows you more freedom play the game anywhere. PC controls are limited to a hard surface, it is mandatory in order for it to work correctly.

I play in my bed, in my chair, sitting on the floor standing off to the side if there are people in my room. Controllers also do not cramp my hands like a m/kb does. The xbox 360 controller is way more natural feeling in terms of contouring to your hands and allows you to play longer without the risk of, if you're like me, cramping.

I'm not one of those people who play that are "omg I got to get the most headshot, have the best k/d ratio, etc". I'm that guy in BC2 that if I get to the top and my team wins great, if I'm in the middle of the charts and my team still wins, great I am just as happy. I don't have the unyielding need to be the best. I play games to have fun not to prove my e-peen or be at the top of some meaningless chart. And for me to have fun, I must be comfortable. A controller offers that comfort.

Trust me if I could go toe to toe with some of the best PC players with a controller, I would. But since I want to be on a level playing field I play with m/kb unless the game allows controllers.

Examples of games where a controller is better than kb/m to me:

Batman AA
Batman AC (I'm assuming it will be like AA)
Fallout 3
Oblivion
Assassin's creed all of them
Just cause 2
GTA
Street Fighter games
Classic game remakes on the PC like Sonic or sonic adventure
Sonic Generations (an assumption that it will play better with controller)
Darkness 2(getting it for PC but with assumption it will play just fine with controller like it did on 360)
Bioshock 1 and 2 (I played on both xbox and pc, had no problem with controller)

There's more I'm not thinking of. But all of those games have something in common. They aren't twitch FPS games or RTS. FPS and RTS are the only games where a mouse an keyboard actually have an advantage over a controller in terms of control-ability. But if you want to be able to remove your self from the requirement of playing on a hard surface then a controller does that and it does it pretty damn well.
People who think a controller is even on par are a joke. Its like if you want to go play baseball and your friend brought a wiffle ball bat and tee. If you sit properly at a computer it is comfortable. Not having a proper computing area or a comfortable chair is not the fault of the PC. In fact the generation of today doesnt watch TV hardly at all, they get most of their entertainment from the PC and its shifting dramatically towards that.

If your hand bothers you from computer use its because you have improper form.

Most people aren't the competitive type and thats obvious. However people who watch sports realize they cant ever be Micheal Jordan, however they recognize this skill and support the rules and equipment of the NBA even if they cant use them themselves, because they know its the best system. You can play games or sports for fun, but there should also be professionals just like there is in sports.

Your games list is based on the fact that you have used a controller for longer. I played console cuz I didnt really have PC until I was 18. I had played controllers for 13 years or more. At first I didn't like it but I quickly learned and I could never go back to a controller. And I realized how horrible console games are.

Ill say that yes fighters, platformers, and racing are better with a controller than a keyboard. However fighters with an arcade pad, and racing with a wheel/pedals, or flight games with a joystick are superior as far as I know. I even plug in my wired 360 control for those types of games.

None of those games u listed take skill. The only games that really require skill are versus a human opponent anyway.

I mean you can literally play controllers with your face. This quadraplegic gamer called Nomad plays with his face and is actually pretty good. Im not trying to make fun of him but the human face isnt designed to be able to do complex activities. Our hands let us do all sorts of crazy things and controllers just limit that. Its just wrong. Controllers are an abomination of gaming.

post #48 of 120
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Originally Posted by Ploppytheman View Post
People who think a controller is even on par are a joke. Its like if you want to go play baseball and your friend brought a wiffle ball bat and tee. If you sit properly at a computer it is comfortable. Not having a proper computing area or a comfortable chair is not the fault of the PC. In fact the generation of today doesnt watch TV hardly at all, they get most of their entertainment from the PC and its shifting dramatically towards that.

If your hand bothers you from computer use its because you have improper form.

Most people aren't the competitive type and thats obvious. However people who watch sports realize they cant ever be Micheal Jordan, however they recognize this skill and support the rules and equipment of the NBA even if they cant use them themselves, because they know its the best system. You can play games or sports for fun, but there should also be professionals just like there is in sports.

Your games list is based on the fact that you have used a controller for longer. I played console cuz I didnt really have PC until I was 18. I had played controllers for 13 years or more. At first I didn't like it but I quickly learned and I could never go back to a controller. And I realized how horrible console games are.

Ill say that yes fighters, platformers, and racing are better with a controller than a keyboard. However fighters with an arcade pad, and racing with a wheel/pedals, or flight games with a joystick are superior as far as I know. I even plug in my wired 360 control for those types of games.

None of those games u listed take skill. The only games that really require skill are versus a human opponent anyway.

I mean you can literally play controllers with your face. This quadraplegic gamer called Nomad plays with his face and is actually pretty good. Im not trying to make fun of him but the human face isnt designed to be able to do complex activities. Our hands let us do all sorts of crazy things and controllers just limit that. Its just wrong. Controllers are an abomination of gaming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IxoB...el_video_title


Alright, we get it. Video games are serious business to you and everyone else is an idiot. You have an incredible superiority complex. Fun and personal enjoyment should take a backseat to 1337 skill. It's just as comfortable to sit in an office chair with your arms on a desk, as it is to recline in a leather seat with a small controller in your hands.
post #49 of 120
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Originally Posted by Narzon View Post
Uh huh. Gamertag NiCkLeEyE, played Dragon Age and ME1 on 360 before getting them for PC. It really helps to ask before you start laying out my experience as "fact". On the PC you can bind an entire action bar of abilities. On the console you're limited to 3 abilities with a modifier, the rest has to be done with a command-rose style layout. I prefer hitting a button to heal, instead of holding a trigger and navigating to it. But hey, that's just me.
The combat is paused, you switch to your healer and hit triangle to heal.

There isn't very many activated abilities you need, 6 buttons is plenty, most are sustained and have no reason to be bound. The radial menu is super easy and quick to use anyways. Plus there is a tactics menu.

I would go onto say the Auto Targeting gives the console version an edge seeing as you don't have to pause and click attack every time an enemy dies.


Either way it is accomplished the same. Whether you like it or hate it makes no difference, it can be done.
post #50 of 120
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Originally Posted by Ploppytheman View Post
People who think a controller is even on par are a joke. Its like if you want to go play baseball and your friend brought a wiffle ball bat and tee. If you sit properly at a computer it is comfortable. Not having a proper computing area or a comfortable chair is not the fault of the PC. In fact the generation of today doesnt watch TV hardly at all, they get most of their entertainment from the PC and its shifting dramatically towards that.

If your hand bothers you from computer use its because you have improper form.

Most people aren't the competitive type and thats obvious. However people who watch sports realize they cant ever be Micheal Jordan, however they recognize this skill and support the rules and equipment of the NBA even if they cant use them themselves, because they know its the best system. You can play games or sports for fun, but there should also be professionals just like there is in sports.

Your games list is based on the fact that you have used a controller for longer. I played console cuz I didnt really have PC until I was 18. I had played controllers for 13 years or more. At first I didn't like it but I quickly learned and I could never go back to a controller. And I realized how horrible console games are.

Ill say that yes fighters, platformers, and racing are better with a controller than a keyboard. However fighters with an arcade pad, and racing with a wheel/pedals, or flight games with a joystick are superior as far as I know. I even plug in my wired 360 control for those types of games.

None of those games u listed take skill. The only games that really require skill are versus a human opponent anyway.

I mean you can literally play controllers with your face. This quadraplegic gamer called Nomad plays with his face and is actually pretty good. Im not trying to make fun of him but the human face isnt designed to be able to do complex activities. Our hands let us do all sorts of crazy things and controllers just limit that. Its just wrong. Controllers are an abomination of gaming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IxoB...el_video_title
IMO, its a lot easier to jump in and learn a keyboard and mouse and be good then it is with a controller, its takes time to develop skill at a controller, some people lack that.
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