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I haven't really been following all of this, but this reminds me a lot of the Barcelona --> phenom II debacle.
The difference is that the original Phenom was at least performing better than it's predecessors.
FX-8150 is not.
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AMD has to try all possible ways to get better then Intel not cheap out.
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As i said in the other thread. Why is SB so good? Hand Crafted CPU's
i love how before today, no one that has posted so far even knew how they actually designed cpu's, but now since you all have read an article, you are suddenly experts and will be spouting this non-sense for years to come.
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Do you even know what hand crafted CPUs mean?
what does hand crafted cpus mean? (serious)

I'm quite interested in knowing the difference between intel cpu and amd cpu design methods.. in moderate detail..
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what does hand crafted cpus mean? (serious)

I'm quite interested in knowing the difference between intel cpu and amd cpu design methods.. in moderate detail..
Well this article is wrong; most Intel chips since the Conroe generation have been automated designs as well since that makes building chips more profitable.

Hand Crafted, in a sense, means that; instead of taking a standard or basic design and adapting it for their purpose, the manufacture would instead specifically design almost every transistor on the chip so that it was tailor fit for it's needs.
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post #26 of 51
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Originally Posted by Tator Tot View Post
Well this article is wrong; most Intel chips since the Conroe generation have been automated designs as well since that makes building chips more profitable.

Hand Crafted, in a sense, means that; instead of taking a standard or basic design and adapting it for their purpose, the manufacture would instead specifically design almost every transistor on the chip so that it was tailor fit for it's needs.
so then the problem wasn't the design process of bulldozer more so the architecture?
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post #27 of 51
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so then the problem wasn't the design process of bulldozer more so the architecture?
It's not the architecture, it's a combination of Software and Process delays which really killed AMD.
If Global Foundries 32nm process wasn't so bugged, we'd be looking at BD chips which used about 18% less power than they do now, and kicked off less heat.
The same issues with the process are what also called the delay in BD chips being shipped out.
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post #28 of 51
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Originally Posted by Tator Tot View Post
Hand Crafted, in a sense, means that; instead of taking a standard or basic design and adapting it for their purpose, the manufacture would instead specifically design almost every transistor on the chip so that it was tailor fit for it's needs.
This is what in essence i thought hand crafted meant so thank you TT
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It's not the architecture, it's a combination of Software and Process delays which really killed AMD.
If Global Foundries 32nm process wasn't so bugged, we'd be looking at BD chips which used about 18% less power than they do now, and kicked off less heat.
The same issues with the process are what also called the delay in BD chips being shipped out.
now when you say processes and software what do you mean by that? so then how do we attribute the lower performance if it wasn't architecture nor design process?

you should maybe make a thread explaining why bd wasn't as good as it is..
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I think that it is also important to keep in mind that had AMD hand crafted more of there processors, Bulldozer would have been delayed even more, since hand crafting generally takes longer. I think that if AMD had taken any longer to release Bulldozer, they would be in even worse shape. As it stands, at least they have something on the market that the average stupid consumer will buy.
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