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Originally Posted by tpi2007;15310303 
What is the problem with having a BIOS as long as the motherboard has support for large HDD's ? Honest question. Do Gigabyte motherboards not work properly ?
I just think it's a little bit silly to get a high-tech, ultra-modern system that still uses the BIOS (a technology that is over 20 years old) when we now have the UEFI.

I can use the mouse in my "BIOS", and I can also take screenshots. An actual BIOS can't do that. The UEFI is what is being called a "BIOS replacement". It's the next step up.

Also, a UEFI board has a much faster POST.

Beyond that, I have no other reasons. However, I think these are very good reasons.

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Originally Posted by tpi2007;15310303 
Second, why would you include the P8P67 in your list ?
Because things are very very very very different now. wink.gif

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Originally Posted by tpi2007;15310303 
As I have asked before, is the Pro any better ? If so, why ?
I think that it's only better if it has features you want. Beyond that, they're mostly the same.

Almost all recommendable 1155 motherboards are kinda at the EP45-UD3P level now, and I feel that this even includes the P8P67 (but again, not the P8P67 LE).

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Originally Posted by tpi2007;15310303 
Also of notice, besides the difference in games framerates I pointed out before in that review, it seems the P8P67 is mediocre when it comes to power consumption. Again, is the Pro any better ?




Thanks!
I don't know if that's an important thing to consider unless you're tight enough on money that every penny in the electricity bill counts. Seriously. wink.gif

Also, I've never heard of a motherboard affecting gaming performance to any truly noticeable degree (that is, when comparing recommendable boards like ours). I mean look at the difference: it's a difference of like 0-3 FPS. That's nothing, and I personally think they're kind of dumb for even posting those differences.
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other than overclocking quads, the ud3p is pretty average....

most SB boards are the same. just coose one with a feature set you like.
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other than overclocking quads, the ud3p is pretty average....

most SB boards are the same. just coose one with a feature set you like.

Lol, It was the Best MB because overclocking Quads was the only thing necessary for S775. Its had CFX support, nice heat sinks.
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I must say I agree with TwoCables 100% here.

Why should we have BIOS when we have UEFI, P8P67, PRO and EVO are very identical appart from a couple of features. The LE is not. It is cheaped down in all aspects and is a bad overclocker.

Also, a few watts in Idle power consumption is nothing to base motherboard buys on. Besides, could just be bios related (Later bioses could cause P8P67 boards to use lesser watts) or a few bios settings.
    
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other than overclocking quads, the ud3p is pretty average....

most SB boards are the same. just coose one with a feature set you like.
Pretty average?! The EP45-UD3P is the best motherboard for socket 775 overclocking!
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EP45-UD3P/L is one of the few boards/the one board in the world that can push a Quad core to 500FSB + stable FSB (Front side Bus). Much thanks to it's GTL finetuning.

Also, it is known for gettings stable overclocks at lower Vcore VS other boards. Thanks to delivering a higher than normal Amperage.

A legendary 775 overclocker board. And probably THE best 775 overclocker board.
    
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Originally Posted by TwoCables;15310429 
I just think it's a little bit silly to get a high-tech, ultra-modern system that still uses the BIOS (a technology that is over 20 years old) when we now have the UEFI.

I can use the mouse in my "BIOS", and I can also take screenshots. An actual BIOS can't do that. The UEFI is what is being called a "BIOS replacement". It's the next step up.

Also, a UEFI board has a much faster POST.

Beyond that, I have no other reasons. However, I think these are very good reasons.



Because things are very very very very different now. wink.gif



I think that it's only better if it has features you want. Beyond that, they're mostly the same.

Almost all recommendable 1155 motherboards are kinda at the EP45-UD3P level now, and I feel that this even includes the P8P67 (but again, not the P8P67 LE).



I don't know if that's an important thing to consider unless you're tight enough on money that every penny in the electricity bill counts. Seriously. wink.gif

Also, I've never heard of a motherboard affecting gaming performance to any truly noticeable degree (that is, when comparing recommendable boards like ours). I mean look at the difference: it's a difference of like 0-3 FPS. That's nothing, and I personally think they're kind of dumb for even posting those differences.

Ok, fair enough, the UEFI has those advantages and it boots faster. But besides those things, do current Gigabyte motherboards have some reliability or performance issue because they are using a BIOS + 2TB+ boot feature ?

I would very much like to have a board with UEFI, but I can live without it, especially on the desktop, as boot times are not that important to me.

As to the power consumption issue, it could have to do with components that are of less quality compared to other motherboards, hence the question.

And it may also relate to long term reliability. A board that uses more power gets potentially hotter, unless it has some special feature that is responsible for that and other motherboards don't, but I don't think that is the case.

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Originally Posted by turrican9;15310496 
I must say I agree with TwoCables 100% here.

Why should we have BIOS when we have UEFI, P8P67, PRO and EVO are very identical appart from a couple of features. The LE is not. It is cheaped down in all aspects and is a bad overclocker.

Also, a few watts in Idle power consumption is nothing to base motherboard buys on. Besides, could just be bios related (Later bioses could cause P8P67 boards to use lesser watts) or a few bios settings.

At idle it uses 32w more than the Gigabyte Z68XP-UD3P and 20 w more than the ASROCK Z68- Extreme 4 Gen 3

What about load power consumption ?

ASROCK Z68- Extreme 4 Gen 3 - 179w

Gigabyte Z68XP-UD3P - 202w

Asus P8P67 243w


That's a 64w difference to the AsRock and a 41w difference to the Gigabyte! That first one is 1w short of powering a current generation Core i3!

I wouldn't call this negligible.

In both tests it uses virtually the same power as the Maximus IV Extreme, but you're not getting any of the goodies of that board, are you ? Seems to me it's a bit of an inefficient design.
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EFI is useless.....

If you care about a massive whopping ginormous 1 second off your boot time, then i guess it is ok.
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Pretty average?! The EP45-UD3P is the best motherboard for socket 775 overclocking!

dyslexic?

I said it was good at overclocking.

I don't find anything else special about it though....other boards offer more.
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EFI is useless.....

If you care about a massive whopping ginormous 1 second off your boot time, then i guess it is ok.
For me, my total restart time is about 10 seconds faster than it was when I had the E8400 in the EP45-UD3P.

The POST time alone is much shorter.

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dyslexic?
That wouldn't be dyslexia.

Quote:
Originally Posted by reflex99;15315416 
I said it was good at overclocking.

I don't find anything else special about it though....other boards offer more.
All you said was "other than overclocking quads, the ud3p is pretty average...."

When I upgraded from the EVGA 680i SLI to the EP45-UD3P with my E8400, the difference in overclocking was huge. I went from needing more than 1.368V to achieve stability at 4.0 GHz to only needing about 1.312V. Plus, my system somehow felt more stable. I don't know how to explain it.

Even at 1.368V, my load temps with the EP45-UD3P were lower (I don't remember by how much because it was too long ago to recall).

This board was far better than "pretty average" for me.
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I have a Z68X UD3H-B3. I quite frankly wish I had gone ASUS. I didn't read deep enough or long enough to realize that Gigabyte doesn't have LLC + DVID offset at the same time - there is the odd exception in some old bioses apparently, but not for the board I have. Something is .....strange is the best word I can come up with, about their voltage regulation and reporting. I went to a high LLC level, higher than most recommended, to get my idle voltage to be at my load voltage, otherwise it was reading very high at idle. And what you set vcore at in bios will never ever be what the bios reports back when you look at its hardware monitor, nor a monitor in the OS like CPUZ or EasyTune.

That said, it *is* nicely featured and stable (I've never had to clear CMOS, love dual bios) at 4.8, with vcore slightly on the high side of average - which is probably just my cpu. I have no beef with Giga, my i7 920 was on their board as was my 939 system, and both of those were rock solid zero issues overclocked highly long term. Still, this time around I wish I'd gone ASUS (or other).

**EDIT** I see you posted in the Official Gigabyte 67/68 thread, you only have to go back a couple of pages to see a bunch of my observations.
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