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Nice, thanks for this. I've recently been hearing more and more about this brand, potentially a future buy.
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Neat toy and software to match, thanks for the review!

Kinda disappointing it can only control 1 5W fan...I mean really? Who runs a w/c system that only uses 1 5W fan? Martin, don't AP15s need ~5W each on startup (a bit over .3A@12V)? No way you could run 3 AP15s off one 5W header IIRC...well you could run them, but they wouldn't start.
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Originally Posted by Skripka;15313610 
Neat toy and software to match, thanks for the review!

Kinda disappointing it can only control 1 5W fan...I mean really? Who runs a w/c system that only uses 1 5W fan? Martin, don't AP15s need ~5W each on startup (a bit over .3A@12V)? No way you could run 3 AP15s off one 5W header IIRC...well you could run them, but they wouldn't start.

It's not meant to be a fan controller outright, you know. wink.gif It's just some circuitry attached to an Eheim 1046, though I'm told if you buy it in the UK it's actually built upon an Eheim 1048 instead. It's also worth noting that all 3 models of this pump are cheaper than a D5 at Aquatuning (in Germany; the US site doesn't have the Aquastreams for some reason).
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Originally Posted by Chunky_Chimp;15313722 
It's not meant to be a fan controller outright, you know. wink.gif It's just some circuitry attached to an Eheim 1046, though I'm told if you buy it in the UK it's actually built upon an Eheim 1048 instead. It's also worth noting that all 3 models of this pump are cheaper than a D5 at Aquatuning (in Germany; the US site doesn't have the Aquastreams for some reason).

I know. I know. But if they're going to put a fan header throttled to coolant temp or what have you, it would be nice if they at least gave the header enough legs to at least support a Y-splitter worth of fans say 8-10W. Anyone buying a dedicated pump is going to be using a 240mm or 360mm rad or more most of the time....and most w/cing folks stalk websites for AP15s or similarly needy fans. Otherwise it is a neat feature of limited practical utility, as most 120mm fans are going to use up too much current @12V to be able to have 2 fans over 5W.

Still a neat toy. Would be nice if Swiffy would make similar software for whatever successor they have to the 35x.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Skripka;15313839 
Would be nice if Swiffy would make similar software for whatever successor they have to the 35x.

They'd have to put similar circuitry on it that Aquacomputer does with those Eheims; I know Corsair has started doing it with their kits, which is where the Link kits come in. Those are brand new, though, Aquacomputer has been doing this for years; it should still be interesting to see if (and if so, how) they compete.
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Originally Posted by Skripka;15313610 
Neat toy and software to match, thanks for the review!

Kinda disappointing it can only control 1 5W fan...I mean really? Who runs a w/c system that only uses 1 5W fan? Martin, don't AP15s need ~5W each on startup (a bit over .3A@12V)? No way you could run 3 AP15s off one 5W header IIRC...well you could run them, but they wouldn't start.

Actually a GT15 only draws about 1.02 Watts

And the GT14 only draws about .54 Watts:
http://www.overclock.net/water-cooling/859483-round-6-fan-testing-working-thread-8.html#post11273370

So...you could still run about 9 GT14s or 4 GT15s.

That should be enough for a triple rad plus a couple of case fans.thumb.gif

But...if you need more, I'm pretty sure the poweradjust 2 "ULTRA" can be connected to the fan output of the XT. That would give you another 25Watts worth of continuous fan power (48W peak).

I don't know for sure since I don't have one, but thier page makes note about that. (Pardon the chrome translation)
Quote:
The scheme itself is based largely on this to the fan control of aquastream XT and can be adjusted very finely to their own needs.

poweradjust_2_1-0ac2540f.jpg

I do have an aquareo 5 I'll be testing/reviewing soon as well, but I wanted to start with the pump as a stand alone review first.
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Originally Posted by Martinm210;15314550 
But...if you need more, I'm pretty sure the poweradjust 2 can be connected to the fan output of the XT. That would give you another 25Watts worth of fan power.

I don't know for sure since I don't have one, but thier page makes note about that. (Pardon the chrome translation)

There's a power booster device for that purpose, but you lose a couple volts when you do that so there's not much point in using it. If you want to pair the PA2 to the Aquastream you need to use the Aquabus cable, else you won't get the desired control setup; either way it doesn't (and can't) act as a simple wattage boost for the Aquastream's controller, it would simply supplement it. IMO it's not very logical to do it this way in the first place, since the Poweradjusts were purpose-designed for pump control where you weren't actually using an Aquastream, but rather a D5/DDC/Jingway. Pairing the Aquastream with an Aquaero has always seemed like the best approach to me, honestly.
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Originally Posted by Chunky_Chimp;15314589 
There's a power booster device for that purpose, but you lose a couple volts when you do that so there's not much point in using it. If you want to pair the PA2 to the Aquastream you need to use the Aquabus cable, else you won't get the desired control setup; either way it doesn't (and can't) act as a simple wattage boost for the Aquastream's controller, it would simply supplement it. IMO it's not very logical to do it this way in the first place, since the Poweradjusts were purpose-designed for pump control where you weren't actually using an Aquastream, but rather a D5/DDC/Jingway. Pairing the Aquastream with an Aquaero has always seemed like the best approach to me, honestly.

Interesting, I did find the poweramp you noted, here is the user manual:

http://aquacomputer.de/handbuecher.html?file=tl_files/aquacomputer/downloads/manuals/poweramp_english_20090824.pdf

It does note that it's sort of like it sounds and meant for the aquastream fan output, so it probably works if you're not after the more than that. It does note in the user manual that actual voltage out due to vdroop is down to 10.5V. That's a bit more vdroop than I've seen, but still an option and supposedly good for 3.5A or 36 watts.

The aquareo5 does also note connectivity for up to two XT pumps, so that would be the ultimate in control.thumb.gif
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