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Originally Posted by El_Capitan;15315480 
What Nvidia driver are you using, btw?

To add on to this as a side note. I've tested both of the newest drivers the 280 and the 285 BETA for BF3. I noticed a clear difference in performance. The 285 beta gave me about 200-300 3DMARKS compared to the 280 release driver. Just as a side note. Not really sure if that affects stability or any other factors.
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Originally Posted by hahysera;15315412 
Basically what I did was bump the fan and voltage to max. Start at 850 core clock, memory stock at 1900. Keep bumping the core clock by 10 and running 3DMARK or OCCT or furmark or heaven or some high graphics game. Something hopefully that would tell you if ur getting errors. Run it for about 1-5 mins for a quick stability check. Keep raising it by 10 untill you cant run for 1-5 mins and it crashes. Literally u will crash and MSI afterburner will reset to default. Once you hit that point, you can try to back it down about 10, and bump the memory maybe to 2000. Keep testing for like 1-5 mins. Once u feel decently stable and it passes a 5 min test, go for like 45 mins in heaven, or maybe 1 hour on OCCT or do a few 3Dmarks, furmark for a while. I basically know I'm stable because of BF3. That crushes video cards and I played the hell out of that game. I've done 1-2 hours on OCCT aswell and passes many 3Dmark tests. 3Dmark seemed pretty good for me to test on. It will almost instantly crash if ur too high core clock

EDIT: U can also just set it straight to 950 and check if it crashes to get a instant result to see if ur chip can hit 950. Then drop to like 930, 910, 900, ect, ect

EDIT1: Theres not much else you can do to stabalize ur card. If you hit ur max of like 870 well then... thats ur max. You wont be able to push it more (unless you do all the bios stuff and unlock more voltage but ur risking a lot there), but some chips just suck, some are god chips and hit 950+. Mine I cant go past 900 without being 100% stable. 930 I can run 3Dmark, 970 I can run OCCT, 920 I can run BF3, but 900 I can run it all stable. It just depends on the chip.

EDIT2: Dont be too scared though, GPUs arent like CPUs where u can harm them extremely badly. They can take a bit more abuse I would say. Also, almost everyone with 570's runs 1100 volts, so its not a big deal if U bump it up there. Also not a big deal if it crashes. It will just give u a message saying ur driver stopped responding and will reset ur clocks. Ur at like 55*C, you have nothing to worry about with temps so bump that core clock!

Thanks for the rundown. I will try that soon. I just bumped up my voltage to 1100mV and my Core to 900 and Memory to 2000. I got to playing Crysis 2 for about 20 minutes, but then all of a sudden, the screen goes black, and then just goes to my desktop. I don't get a message or anything, and my clocks don't go back to default, and my temps were at 49°C.

So I guess I will try your methods, as well as benchmark software.
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Originally Posted by El_Capitan;15315480 
What Nvidia driver are you using, btw?

I'm using 280.26.
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Originally Posted by hahysera;15315501 
To add on to this as a side note. I've tested both of the newest drivers the 280 and the 285 BETA for BF3. I noticed a clear difference in performance. The 285 beta gave me about 200-300 3DMARKS compared to the 280 release driver. Just as a side note. Not really sure if that affects stability or any other factors.

Thanks. I'll try the beta drivers too, see if that helps. +rep.
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Originally Posted by tmaz42o;15315691 
Thanks for the rundown. I will try that soon. I just bumped up my voltage to 1100mV and my Core to 900 and Memory to 2000. I got to playing Crysis 2 for about 20 minutes, but then all of a sudden, the screen goes black, and then just goes to my desktop. I don't get a message or anything, and my clocks don't go back to default, and my temps were at 49°C.

So I guess I will try your methods, as well as benchmark software.



I'm using 280.26.



Thanks. I'll try the beta drivers too, see if that helps. +rep.

Sweet, hm thats kinda weird that the screen would go black. Ur temps are amazingly low thats for sure. 900 is a good clock. Like I said maybe with Crysis u will have to run lower but on certain things like 3Dmark you may be able to push 900+. Basically try to find that number where U can run everything without any crashes, freezes, nothing, just STABLE. smile.gif

DEFINITELY get some benchmarking tools to test ur cards because just playing a game isnt really enough to know if its 100% stable.
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Is this normal? In the screenshot, the red circles for MSI Afterburner and GPU-Z match, but not with EVGA OC Scanner.

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The GTX570 has been known to overclock really poorly, Mainly due to cheap VRMs.

I would leave it at stock, It is powerful as it is.
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Originally Posted by tmaz42o;15315097 
Stock clocks and stock voltages, my card was unstable, so I raised the Core Voltage to 1025mV and that seems stable with stock clocks.
That sounds defective to me. What did you do to determine it was unstable?
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Keep bumping the core clock by 10 and running 3DMARK or OCCT or furmark or heaven or some high graphics game.

EDIT2: Dont be too scared though, GPUs arent like CPUs where u can harm them extremely badly. They can take a bit more abuse I would say. Also, almost everyone with 570's runs 1100 volts, so its not a big deal if U bump it up there. Also not a big deal if it crashes. It will just give u a message saying ur driver stopped responding and will reset ur clocks. Ur at like 55*C, you have nothing to worry about with temps so bump that core clock!
AFAIK, with Fermi, OCCT and Furmark are on Nvidia's "Blacklist". When you run them, OCP kicks in right away and down clocks the card in order to stay within its power limit. Source But Heaven(maxed) and 3DMark11(extreme preset) are good for stress testing. I prefer taking a guess on what clocks are stable at a certain voltage based on past knowledge, then running letting Heaven run through the cut scenes on max overnight(8-12h). I also move in 10MHz increments until i know im stable between x and x(eg 870-880). Then i bump it up 5MHz. If its stable, then i start to OC the memory up to my personal limit of 2100 at 1.1V, or 2200 at 1.05V.

Although GPUs aren't like CPUs, we are talking about a (reference?) GTX 570. They are known to have less VRMs than they should, and many people have had them die because of this. Just make sure you keep the memory below 2200MHz, and the voltage below 1.100V on air. Then you should be fairly safe, assuming the temps are in check.
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I would leave it at stock, It is powerful as it is.
Not if you're like me and you want to run BF3 on ultra with good enough frame rates.
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Originally Posted by tmaz42o;15315822 
Is this normal? In the screenshot, the red circles for MSI Afterburner and GPU-Z match, but not with EVGA OC Scanner.
OC scanner is just showing your cards current clocks. Since its idle, its running in its P12 power state. That is why you see such low clocks.

For reference, here is how my 570 OCs(still in testing stage):
1.050V 870-875core 2000+mem
1.088V 900+core 1900+mem
Edited by nawon72 - 10/15/11 at 12:33am
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Originally Posted by nawon72;15315865 
That sounds defective to me. What did you do to determine it was unstable?

Stock clocks and voltages, while playing a game, the screen would randomly go black, and then go back to my desktop, and the game would exit out. Do you think it's defective?

I got it last week, should I return it to the store, RMA it to EVGA, or just keep it and get another for SLI?
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AFAIK, with Fermi, OCCT and Furmark are on Nvidia's "Blacklist". When you run them, OCP kicks in right away and down clocks the card in order to stay within its power limit. Source But Heaven(maxed) and 3DMark11(extreme preset) are good for stress testing. I prefer taking a guess on what clocks are stable at a certain voltage based on past knowledge, then running letting Heaven run through the cut scenes on max overnight(8-12h). I also move in 10MHz increments until i know im stable between x and x(eg 870-880). Then i bump it up 5MHz. If its stable, then i start to OC the memory up to my personal limit of 2100 at 1.1V, or 2200 at 1.05V.

Although GPUs aren't like CPUs, we are talking about a (reference?) GTX 570. They are known to have less VRMs than they should, and many people have had them die because of this. Just make sure you keep the memory below 2200MHz, and the voltage below 1.100V on air. Then you should be fairly safe, assuming the temps are in check.

Yes it is a reference.
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Originally Posted by nawon72;15315865 
Not if you're like me and you want to run BF3 on ultra with good enough frame rates.

OC scanner is just showing your cards current clocks. Since its idle, its running in its P12 power state. That is why you see such low clocks.

For reference, here is how my 570 OCs(still in testing stage):
1.050V 870-875core 2000+mem
1.088V 900+core 1900+mem

Thanks. I'll try those too.
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Originally Posted by tmaz42o;15315822 
Is this normal? In the screenshot, the red circles for MSI Afterburner and GPU-Z match, but not with EVGA OC Scanner.

gpuclocks.jpg

K the GPU-Z dosen't match MSI Afterburner or EVGA Precision for GPU memory clocks. So that's normal.

Example-Afterburner or Precision memory is 2062Mhz but only shows in GPU-Z as 1031Mhz memory. Core/Shader show correctly.

If you can reach that 570 over clock @ 980Mhz you'll have a stock GTX 580 @ 772Mhz performance.

Like mentioned above you can get a bad over clocker with ' any ' GPU. No garrantee. If it's not performing at stock clocks it's time to call vendor and RMA that if you can. It shouldn't be unstable at factory stock clock settings.
     
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Stock clocks and voltages, while playing a game, the screen would randomly go black, and then go back to my desktop, and the game would exit out. Do you think it's defective?
If it was a minor blemish on the card that doesn't have any affect on everyday use, then i personally wouldn't bother to RMA it. However, you paid for a card that will work with its superclocked settings. So for now, I wouldn't recommend overclocking your card if it may be unstable with stock settings. First i would install the latest stable driver, then run the card completely stock on some GPU intensive games such as Crysis, Crysis 2(Crysis 3... JK) ect. A legally free option is to run the Heaven cut scenes(this runs on startup, so no need to select it) overnight on its max settings.
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Originally Posted by Arizonian;15316092 
If you can reach that 570 over clock @ 980Mhz you'll have a stock GTX 580 @ 772Mhz performance.
Based on 3DMark11s official stock GTX580 score of P6600, my GTX570 is approximately equal at 900core, and 2000mem.
Edited by nawon72 - 10/15/11 at 1:18am
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My 570 gets as far as 850 with 1.1v lol. I think you're lucky.
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