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post #21 of 31
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Originally Posted by Brutuz View Post
inb4peoplebaggingBDforthis.

Every chip has random bugs and errors, SB, Nehalems, Deneb, Thuban.

Willing to bet the no fix thing is due to Piledriver coming out in a few months, hence the fix then.
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post #22 of 31
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Originally Posted by Devilmaypoop View Post
Craploads of bugs, good theoretical performance but is utterly diminished by the bugs and bad execution. How I see it, is that AMD only released Bulldozer to fix all the bugs and such to come back after a generation or two.

It took them 6 years to make a pipe cleaner product. *sigh*
It took them 6 years to make a new architecture, the first fruits of which are a pipe-cleaner.

It's like the average Apple tree, the first few seasons won't bear much if any fruit, but the later ones will.

K6 (What the Athlons and Phenoms can trace their origins too) only were good in the value segment at first, until AMD worked through some bugs and software issues, as was P5 (Pentium-66), P6 (Pentium Pro), etc.

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But how'd it get the term "pipe cleaner"?
I got it from Anand, who used it in the RV870 story talking about HD4770, how it was essentially a test product to work out how bad 40nm yields were and ways to improve it, they didn't make any money on it but it got them valuable experience that made it worth it, just like how releasing what could be classed as a beta version of Piledriver, I guess, helps get the bulk of the 3rd party optimization (Software, compilers, etc) out of the way.

I'd personally have left BD to an OEM only release though...
    
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post #23 of 31
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Originally Posted by Riou View Post
Every CPU has a bunch of errata. The irrational BD hate train is becoming excessive.
Sure is. It was a faulty release, they'll fix and carry on.

It may not be a blockbuster but it's selling. A new revision + Pile Driver and this'll be a footnote.

I think it's just because so many people were really hoping BD would bring some serious power to the dogfight with Intel.
 
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I think it's just because so many people were really hoping BD would bring some serious power to the dogfight with Intel.
I don't think AMD could've ever possibly made an product to meet their expectations. It had been so long, everyone was expecting that it would bulldoze everything. People had way too high expectations.
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I don't think AMD could've ever possibly made an product to meet their expectations. It had been so long, everyone was expecting that it would bulldoze everything. People had way too high expectations.
what do you expect? the last time AMD released an "FX" chip prior to bulldozer it wiped the floor with intel
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post #26 of 31
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what do you expect? the last time AMD released an "FX" chip prior to bulldozer it wiped the floor with intel
Yup, it's how it was marketed that brought these unrealistic expectations. When you show misleading videos of your cpu trouncing a $1k processor and give it the moniker of a historically "extreme performance" cpu it's not unreasonable to believe that people will expect nothing less than stellar performance.
post #27 of 31
Damn right, AMDs marketing department screwed up big time.
    
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post #28 of 31
well with billions of transistors in a space about the size of your fingernail, you can't get everything right....
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Typo in the OP's quote: she should be replaced with the. The actual source article has a die swapped out with a sie
    
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post #30 of 31
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Originally Posted by Brutuz View Post
Damn right, AMDs marketing department screwed up big time.
yeah they should have saved FX for piledriver (assuming it does better - which i think it will due to the rumours i've heard about Trinity) & just named them all Phenom xxxxx, so the 8150 could have become a Phenom x8 99950...
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