Originally Posted by Devilmaypoop
Craploads of bugs, good theoretical performance but is utterly diminished by the bugs and bad execution. How I see it, is that AMD only released Bulldozer to fix all the bugs and such to come back after a generation or two.
It took them 6 years to make a pipe cleaner product. *sigh*
It took them 6 years to make a new architecture, the first fruits of which are a pipe-cleaner.
It's like the average Apple tree, the first few seasons won't bear much if any fruit, but the later ones will.
K6 (What the Athlons and Phenoms can trace their origins too) only were good in the value segment at first, until AMD worked through some bugs and software issues, as was P5 (Pentium-66), P6 (Pentium Pro), etc.
Originally Posted by OCcomet
But how'd it get the term "pipe cleaner"?
I got it from Anand, who used it in the RV870 story talking about HD4770, how it was essentially a test product to work out how bad 40nm yields were and ways to improve it, they didn't make any money on it but it got them valuable experience that made it worth it, just like how releasing what could be classed as a beta version of Piledriver, I guess, helps get the bulk of the 3rd party optimization (Software, compilers, etc) out of the way.
I'd personally have left BD to an OEM only release though...