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I know PC's aren't only for gaming, they are also for data transcoding, video recording/capturing/editing, for surfing the web, etc but there is no program (for now) that can fits on any of those categories, that can utilize 6 cores.
Competely, totaly, and blatantly incorrect.

Some common programs I personally use, often every day, that will take advantage of at least 6 cores and at least 12 threads (most of them can scale way higher):

7-zip, Avidemux (using x264), TrueCrypt, VMware, and PDF-Xchange.

Nearly every major piece of rendering, transcoding, encryption, archival, and media editing/creation software can make use of 6 or more cores.

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All the reviews and comparisons I've read comparing the 2600K and the 990x shows what I stated. The 990x only wins (by a 15%) on rendering and video trans-coding times.
You haven't read enough.

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Of course you're going to support the 990x because, although you also own a 2600K, the 990x cost you way more bucks.
Careful with the unfounded assumptions; I don't own a 990x at all.

I do have a 970, which is the same Gulftown architecture, but mine only cost 230 dollars (Intel Retail Edge). Then again, I only paid 90 bucks for my 2600k.

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But show me an article where the 990x outperforms the 2600K in almost every aspect and I'll stay quiet.
The 990x will virtually never outperform a 2600k in single or lightly threaded apps, and I never said that it would.

However, in most heavily threaded ones, it's typically faster. In some cases it's a lot faster. And 10-15% better OC headroom can't usually make up for more than 50% more cores.

http://www.overclock.net/general-pro...code-test.html -- 4.2GHz Gulftown is considerably faster than a 5GHz 2600k in x264.

Even a stock i970 i7 970 is about as fast at x264 as a 4.5GHz 2600k, a stock 990x is a bit faster than a 4.6GHz -- http://www.overclock.net/general-pro...l#post15274851

Cinebench results tell a similar story.

Also, my 2600k at 4.6GHz is almost 40% slower than my 4.2GHz i7 970 in AES-256 encryption, which I use frequently to backup sensitive data.

If you want me to run any specific benchmarks, I'd be happy to.

There is a reason my primary system is my 970 and not my 2600k and it's not because I spend 140 dollars more on the 970. It's because I'm a heavy multi-tasker who frequently makes use of well threaded apps.
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I'm not being offensive, I think you're provoking me with your irony.
I didn`t even know that this is possible.

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... but what I do know is that neither you nor no one from this forum use those few programs. I can guarantee you that.
So you "knowledge" is based on assumptions.
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Yeah, I'm sure no one on OCN has ever compressed a large file before...

I took this screenshot a few months ago, while backing up one of my virtual machines:

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I'm not being offensive, I think you're provoking me with your irony. I don't know for sure if there are programs that utilize 6 cores, but what I do know is that neither you nor no one from this forum use those few programs. I can guarantee you that.

If you don't want to be called moron, then don't act like such.

I know PC's aren't only for gaming, they are also for data transcoding, video recording/capturing/editing, for surfing the web, etc but there is no program (for now) that can fits on any of those categories, that can utilize 6 cores.
You're saying you're not sure if there are programs that utilize six cores, yet you're here preaching how six cores are useless?

Priceless.

For the record, I regularly use applications that can take advantage of six cores/threads (or more).
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LOL - AMD Peeps must be losing sleep!
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Competely, totaly, and blatantly incorrect.

Some common programs I personally use, often every day, that will take advantage of at least 6 cores and at least 12 threads (most of them can scale way higher):

7-zip, Avidemux (using x264), TrueCrypt, VMware, and PDF-Xchange.

Nearly every major piece of rendering, transcoding, encryption, archival, and media editing/creation software can make use of 6 or more cores.



You haven't read enough.



Careful with the unfounded assumptions; I don't own a 990x at all.

I do have a 970, which is the same Gulftown architecture, but mine only cost 230 dollars (Intel Retail Edge). Then again, I only paid 90 bucks for my 2600k.



The 990x will virtually never outperform a 2600k in single or lightly threaded apps, and I never said that it would.

However, in most heavily threaded ones, it's typically faster. In some cases it's a lot faster. And 10-15% better OC headroom can't usually make up for more than 50% more cores.

http://www.overclock.net/general-pro...code-test.html -- 4.2GHz Gulftown is considerably faster than a 5GHz 2600k in x264.

Even a stock i970 i7 970 is about as fast at x264 as a 4.5GHz 2600k, a stock 990x is a bit faster than a 4.6GHz -- http://www.overclock.net/general-pro...l#post15274851

Cinebench results tell a similar story.

Also, my 2600k at 4.6GHz is almost 40% slower than my 4.2GHz i7 970 in AES-256 encryption, which I use frequently to backup sensitive data.

If you want me to run any specific benchmarks, I'd be happy to.

There is a reason my primary system is my 970 and not my 2600k and it's not because I spend 140 dollars more on the 970. It's because I'm a heavy multi-tasker who frequently makes use of well threaded apps.
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I'm not being offensive, I think you're provoking me with your irony. I don't know for sure if there are programs that utilize 6 cores, but what I do know is that neither you nor no one from this forum use those few programs. I can guarantee you that.

If you don't want to be called moron, then don't act like such.

I know PC's aren't only for gaming, they are also for data transcoding, video recording/capturing/editing, for surfing the web, etc but there is no program (for now) that can fits on any of those categories, that can utilize 6 cores.
A prime example would be F@H...

more cores/more threads equal faster folding times, a 6c/12t 3930k @ 5.1/5.3ghz would annihilate a 6904!

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1. When you're going to quote something, make sure to quote everything, otherwise you'll look like a complete moron.
2. Who cares if the 990x has 6 cores? If no program can take advantage of that, then the 990x isn't faster. There's no proof that it is, so for now it isn't. And the only proof we have so far is that the 2600K is faster in the 90% of the cases and situations, without mentioning that it has a price-performance ratio infinitely better.
3. If you say that the 990x is faster than the 2600K because it has more features than it, then I can also say the same thing for bulldozer, but... you know what happened in the end... too many words, bla bla bla, but very few facts.

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I'm not being offensive, I think you're provoking me with your irony. I don't know for sure if there are programs that utilize 6 cores, but what I do know is that neither you nor no one from this forum use those few programs. I can guarantee you that.

If you don't want to be called moron, then don't act like such.

I know PC's aren't only for gaming, they are also for data transcoding, video recording/capturing/editing, for surfing the web, etc but there is no program (for now) that can fits on any of those categories, that can utilize 6 cores.
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I'm not being offensive, I think you're provoking me with your irony. I don't know for sure if there are programs that utilize 6 cores, but what I do know is that neither you nor no one from this forum use those few programs. I can guarantee you that.

If you don't want to be called moron, then don't act like such.

I know PC's aren't only for gaming, they are also for data transcoding, video recording/capturing/editing, for surfing the web, etc but there is no program (for now) that can fits on any of those categories, that can utilize 6 cores.
There is no software that will support 6 cores? You are completely clueless

Pretty much all CAD software on the planet will benefit from more cores/threads. I use 3DS Max and Maya almost daily and would benefit hugely from going with a 6-core SB-E or even a 990X over my i7-930.

Let alone people who encrypt data, compress large files, convert/encode videos. Oh yea, no one here will benefit from 6 cores over 4

Proof;

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...0k-990x_6.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...wn,2874-9.html

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpu...ition-review/4

http://hothardware.com/Reviews/Intel...Faster/?page=6

Need I go on?

See a pattern there, the only times the 2600k beat the 990X was using software that only utilised a maximum of 2 threads.

So clearly you have no idea what you are talking about
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