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Can someone finally clarify this for me, I've been dying to know.

Ivy Bridge is codename for Sandy Bridge E and will go under the X79 Platform as Socket 2011.

Correct?
NO, IB uses Tri-gate and is a differant arch to SB and on 22nm die not 32nm.
Edited by driftingforlife - 10/15/11 at 3:12pm
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Can someone finally clarify this for me, I've been dying to know.

Ivy Bridge is codename for Sandy Bridge E and will go under the X79 Platform as Socket 2011.

Correct?
No, Ivy Bridge is the code name for SB's die shrink. It's also bringing 3D transistors, so it's more like Tick+, not just your average die shrink to 22nm.

IB quads will work with 1155, and there will be IB-E chips that'll work on LGA 2011. If the 8 core doesn't come to SB-E, it'll come to IB-E.
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My dream PC, I7-3960X, 64 Gig Ram, Quad 7970s, all water cooled and oced to the extreme. Maybe after Grad School lol.
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Its funny how new platforms gets everyone , including myself , excited. Most of you prob are to young to remember, but i can remember going from a 386 to a 486 DX 25mhz. lol My friends and I were talking how sick the new 486 DX was because it had a math coprocessor. Then having to run memmaker in dos to squeeze out enough extended memory to run games . lol. Reading articles about Cyrix, AMD, and intel chips. and how MAC users Risc processors being so much more faster.

Those of you who grew up gaming back then will all know exactly what im talking about. Its insane how far the cpu's have come.
I remember the day we added a math coprocessor to our mac LCIII. The difference in games was staggering (not to mention in excel).

Then one day we added this:


that's a 68040 (built in FPU) + ram + ethernet upgrade all on a single card.
Even now, google's home page only takes a few seconds to load in netscape.
 
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Keep in mind that synthetics dont have much memory loadouts compared to real workloads. If I'm rendering a scene with 20GB of RAM used, X79 memory controller will make that 15% Cinebench improvement over 990X into a lot more.

Also, they're comparing 3.46GHz against 3.33GHz. So multiply results by another 4%.

Of course SB E will clock higher as well by another 10-15%. When you factor that all together:

15% becomes 36%
36% becomes 60%
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I still think I'm gonna skip the Sandy Bridge generation all together. I mean, I could get some serious performance gain over my 920 just by going to SB, and SB-E would be even larger gains... but $600 for an unlocked processor just before a die-shrink/overhaul seems illogical. Ivy Bridge will probably produce the same gains we are seeing from Nehalem->SB-E. If thats the case I think I'd rather wait until its a 60-100% performance gain. Especially considering things could be drastically different in the Ivy Bridge world (Faster ram, cooler chips, higher clocks etc..)

Maybe I'm crazy but the price/performance gain ratio just seems off for this generation. (I did make the leap from a Core 2 Duo to an i7 though, so that may be why...)
    
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I'll be definitely picking up a 3930k for my new rig, my last system was a 4400+ X2, and its board died last year. I've been stuck using my macbook for the past 12 months, with GMA 950 64mb graphics (ARGH!).
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What a n00b, in general performance the 2600K wins, in gaming the 2600K kicks the 990x ass, in Audio Processing 2600K blows up the 990x, in video trans-coding and rendering the 990x wins but not by a big difference (a 15% faster).
I own both an i7 970 and a 2600k, and while the 2600k is better in price vs. performance terms (it's half the price), the Gulftown is actually quite a bit faster in many things.

There are actually a few areas where a stock Gulftown comes close to an OCed 2600k, and a 5GHz 2600k cannot touch a 4.2GHz Gulftown in several areas, with the performance difference being well over 15% in at least a few.

Of course SB is more power efficient than Gulftown, it's more power efficient than almost anything in the entire 5w+ category.

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Why do these companies always want it to be like 50% better or 36% in this case than the previous generation product? They should be quiet and see what they reach, otherwise they only put a lot of pressure on themselves.
SB-E was tapped out and tested internally a long time ago.

These figures are from internal benchmarks, and they are likely accurate, just full of spin.

See that "up to"? That means in those few situations that leverage the new instruction sets that Gulftown doesn't have, it can be that much faster.

Intel never once claimed a 36% jump in overall performance, and no one who can comprehend what they've read could think they have.

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Can someone finally clarify this for me, I've been dying to know.

Ivy Bridge is codename for Sandy Bridge E and will go under the X79 Platform as Socket 2011.

Correct?
No.

Ivy is not SB-E. Ivy is a 22nm revamp of the original SB for LGA-1155.

SB-E is SB with more cores, more cache, more memory controllers, more PCI-E lanes, and a QPI bus on LGA-2011. It's still 32nm and has next to no real architectural improvements over SB.

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X79 memory controller will make that 15% Cinebench improvement over 990X into a lot more.

Also, they're comparing 3.46GHz against 3.33GHz. So multiply results by another 4%.

Of course SB E will clock higher as well by another 10-15%. When you factor that all together:

15% becomes 36%
36% becomes 60%
Yes, when both chips are OCed to their limits, SB-E will like pull a head more; though the 990x does clock pretty well (4.4-4.5GHz is not uncommon on air), and with 50% more cores and almost double the cache, SB-E may well not clock as far as SB does.

Also, as a nitpick, X79 doesn't have a memory controller, SB-E does.
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I hope the i7 3930K will perform that nicely.
The X editions (at least with the Qs) wasn`t that much better.
So I really hope the 3930K will kick "things".
And even though I am really in need for some upgrade I am not spending the ~$1000
for that chip.
Edit: since they bench at stock speeds: These new SB-Es at 5GHz =
Edited by Mr.Eiht - 10/15/11 at 4:19pm
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I own both an i7 970 and a 2600k, and while the 2600k is better in price vs. performance terms (it's half the price), the Gulftown is actually quite a bit faster in many things.

There are actually a few areas where a stock Gulftown comes close to an OCed 2600k, and a 5GHz 2600k cannot touch a 4.2GHz Gulftown in several areas, with the performance difference being well over 15% in at least a few.

Of course SB is more power efficient than Gulftown, it's more power efficient than almost anything in the entire 5w+ category.
All the reviews and comparisons I've read comparing the 2600K and the 990x shows what I stated. The 990x only wins (by a 15%) on rendering and video trans-coding times. In general performance, in games (by a 25%), audio, OC, price (by almost a 200%) & power consumption (by a 40%), the 2600K wins. That's the reality.

Of course you're going to support the 990x because, although you also own a 2600K, the 990x cost you way more bucks. But show me an article where the 990x outperforms the 2600K in almost every aspect and I'll stay quiet.
Edited by Saizer - 10/15/11 at 4:43pm
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