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shooting soccer again tonight - tips/pointers?

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so im shooting soccer again tonight one game at 5 and one at 7:30

the past few games the one that starts at 5:00 for the first half i get enough daylight to usually work with and can use the 1.4X extender without going too high ISO since it stops everything down to f4 and the second half i start struggling with the setting sun normally. im not sure when daylight savings time will kick in.

BUT

what im really looking for suggestions on new things to try out is with the night games i shoot on less than desirable lighting.

on average i have been shooting RAW at 1/640 f2.8 ISO 5000 to get about 1.5 stops under exposed.

i want to try and keep my shutter at 1/640 since the mens team moves very quick and the last time i tried 1/500 i got way too much motion blur and 1/640 seems like a happy medium that gives some blur and give the ability to get some exposure even though it is slightly under.

im wondering if it is worth it between ISO 5000 and 6400 since noise is an issue no matter what but its hard to tell when checking my shots on the LCD. and since it wont hurt anything would it be suggested to consider shooting at ISO 12800 to get an exposure? i know its over kill but im not sure how the shots will come out and i dont want to shoot an entire game and come home to find my shots not completely usable. i never know what my school does with the shots, i know they arent printing large size prints, im told most are for recruiting purposes.

but yea long story short. is there anything extra i am over looking besides getting a monopod and mounting a flash on it and shoot these nights games with a flash/strobe.

i was wondering if exposure/flash compensation does anything. another photographer at the last game convinced me to turn it on and set it to +1, i honestly did not see a considerable effect other than my meter read a little better but the shots themselves still were pretty harsh because of lighting.

beyond possibly trying a flash which i can borrow from someone and trying out a cheap monopod. i do have access to a 1DmkIII that my friend shoots with, he has 2 of them but he does not own them because he works for sports illustrated. but long story short, if i was able to borrow one and shoot with a 1DmkIII would the ability to use a camera with better high ISO performance change my shots not accounting for the harsh cast shadows on players faces because of the uneven lighting?

i also recognize that there may possibly just be nothing that i can do.

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if that was too much to read here's the short version.

i have to battle with poor lighting that makes getting a good exposure very challenging while shooting soccer. what are some ways i may have overlooked to battle the lighting problem. reason i ask is not that my school has complained because they seem happy with what i am doing but i want to provide them the best possible images i can and would like to try to improve my night shots since they are the ones that are not nearly as nice as my other shots assuming that the action is good and i am not limited by the focal length of any lenses

what my settings i have been using that have been just getting me by when shooting at night under bad lighting:

RAW (to help salvage the shots in PP frown.gif )
1/640
f2.8
ISO 5000
center point spot focus
spot meter
Custom WB off piece of paper in midfield
high speed continuous
AI Servo


i know that some of what im doing is probably completely wrong as i am by no means a professional photographer or a sports photographer and did not get this job because they thought i would produce magazine quality shots but because they know i am reliable and can produce usable images of the athletes at my school.


thanks in advance guys. all the advice and help and feedback no matter how harsh is greatly appreciated and has helped me improve my photography considerably. happysmiley.gif

thankfully soccer will be over soon and i will not have to worry about shooting night games for a while and can hopefully produce some great basketball shots this season and tennis, golf, and track next season
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Using higher ISOs is a crazy balancing act. A great shot with some noise is better than no shot at all. Your expectations have to be reasonable, though -- if you're 1.5 stops under at ISO 5000, there's not much else you can do but slow down your shutter speed and try to avoid motion blur. Not every shot requires 1/640, I assure you.
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what about shooting raw as far as trying to reduce noise when i process them. or does that even matter and just shoot jpeg like normal? i want to reduce a little noise but obviously i cant get rid of all of it but at least clean it up so some shots dont look fuzzier than others

im thinking about maybe trying to shoot aperture priority and setting it to f2.8 ISO 5000 and see what happens for part of the game. and maybe trying that for ISO 4000 if the shutter speed doesnt drop so slow that you lose everything in the action

and then shooting around 1/400 and 1/500, i know they wont complain as long as they get action shots. i just wanted to capture the action while keeping the motion on the players arms and legs down as much as i can so its not a head and body with 4 blurry appendages lol. im not terribly worried but i just wasnt 100% sure if i was approaching this right since its tougher shooting these night games
Edited by Conspiracy - 10/15/11 at 9:38am
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