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The reply to my comment was really entertaining. I will go out on a limb here and say you do not know what IPC is and or how it relates to processing. But you jumped on mentioning it just because you heard it.

Back on the proper subject. There are a lot of benchmarks where the 8150 beats the 1100T and the Intel counterparts. There is for some reason the obsession that the CPU is trash by Intel Fanboys because it doesnt game as well in one game or another. But in actuality this matters far less than they will admit. More use goes through CPUs via Productivity than Gamers would ever create. Its just gamers scream the loudest like little children. So you get posts like you have seen.


I repeat myself. Yes it is faster.
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Originally Posted by ORL;15336163 
The reply to my comment was really entertaining. I will go out on a limb here and say you do not know what IPC is and or how it relates to processing. But you jumped on mentioning it just because you heard it.

Back on the proper subject. There are a lot of benchmarks where the 8150 beats the 1100T and the Intel counterparts. There is for some reason the obsession that the CPU is trash by Intel Fanboys because it doesnt game as well in one game or another. But in actuality this matters far less than they will admit. More use goes through CPUs via Productivity than Gamers would ever create. Its just gamers scream the loudest like little children. So you get posts like you have seen.


I repeat myself. Yes it is faster.

If it's such a clear winner, why is it often beaten by that same 1100T in many of those non-gaming tasks? The upgrade from 1100T > BD is a terrible value.
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Who are Amd marketing bulldozer to ?

Servers or Gamers,

Lets see what happens from here !!!!



Can you guess

Another question how did Amd's bulldozer compare to an Intel 2600K with the HT bus switched off now thats a bench I would like to see anyone ?
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Originally Posted by Iceman23;15336217 
If it's such a clear winner, why is it often beaten by that same 1100T in many of those non-gaming tasks? The upgrade from 1100T > BD is a terrible value.

I only have one thing to point out in this regard. The Phenom II 980 beats Intel CPUs straight up in some limited gaming benchmarks. Does this mean that the entire SB line was crap?

Its not really beaten as often as you would like to say it is. And even when it is that difference is either identical or extremely close. Therefor meaning the FX unit is in fact faster as when it does win its usually a larger margin. I will not say it is a worthwhile upgrade for most users though. But read into it what you want.

And again. Yes it is faster, as was asked.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by macca_dj;15335982 
We are unable to actually speculate what Bulldozer is capable of at the moment because it is a NEW technology Windows 7 has not been coded for it Windows 8 is only partially written for it due to the fact that it is new, unlike Wintel and MicroSoft that hold hands in business and coding with other proprietary software companies,
Amd is unlike IBM and Wintel back in the day,

Can you remember having to download drivers for an Amd CPU unlike Intels and IBM's generically coded into the OS's to get your new Amd CPU to work flawlessly you had to have the driver ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wintel >
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/W/Wintel.html

Some thing new has arrived so please be patient,
Wrong. We (the computer enthusiast community) DO know EXACTLY what BD is capable of at the moment, meaning RIGHT NOW. If you go buy BD and throw it in your CPU tomorrow, you know EXACTLY how it will perform. We just might see its performance go up over time, but I doubt it will be quick, and all the benchmarks are still valid as of right now. We will see what happens when changes are made, but as of RIGHT NOW, those benches are valid.

And I never heard of drivers for a CPU until now.
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Originally Posted by ORL;15336163 
The reply to my comment was really entertaining. I will go out on a limb here and say you do not know what IPC is and or how it relates to processing. But you jumped on mentioning it just because you heard it.

Back on the proper subject. There are a lot of benchmarks where the 8150 beats the 1100T and the Intel counterparts. There is for some reason the obsession that the CPU is trash by Intel Fanboys because it doesnt game as well in one game or another. But in actuality this matters far less than they will admit. More use goes through CPUs via Productivity than Gamers would ever create. Its just gamers scream the loudest like little children. So you get posts like you have seen.


I repeat myself. Yes it is faster.

I agree that BDs performance (or lack of) is blown out of proportion. Honestly, its a decent chip. Unfortunately, people were expecting more, AMD promised more, and it costs too much for what it delivers, but it can pump out decent computing power. For heavily threaded work, it might be worth it. For gaming, there are better chips for the money. Anything less stressfull than gaming is definitely not worth it. You don't need 8 cores to check facebook, let alone 4, and there are cheaper and better offerings than the 4100. The situations where I could honestly recommend BD are very very small, not because it can't handle the tasks, but because there are better and/or cheaper alternatives.
    
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Originally Posted by ORL;15336475 
I only have one thing to point out in this regard. The Phenom II 980 beats Intel CPUs straight up in some limited gaming benchmarks. Does this mean that the entire SB line was crap?

Its not really beaten as often as you would like to say it is. And even when it is that difference is either identical or extremely close. Therefor meaning the FX unit is in fact faster as when it does win its usually a larger margin. I will not say it is a worthwhile upgrade for most users though. But read into it what you want.

And again. Yes it is faster, as was asked.

Like I just asked switch Intels HT bus off and then we will see core for core bench marks.

Stop with the Multi core lets bench them via one CPU v one CPU switch all the bells and whistles off core for core like the good old days.
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Originally Posted by mad0314;15336482 
Wrong. We (the computer enthusiast community) DO know EXACTLY what BD is capable of at the moment, meaning RIGHT NOW. If you go buy BD and throw it in your CPU tomorrow, you know EXACTLY how it will perform. We just might see its performance go up over time, but I doubt it will be quick, and all the benchmarks are still valid as of right now. We will see what happens when changes are made, but as of RIGHT NOW, those benches are valid.

And I never heard of drivers for a CPU until now.



I agree that BDs performance (or lack of) is blown out of proportion. Honestly, its a decent chip. Unfortunately, people were expecting more, AMD promised more, and it costs too much for what it delivers, but it can pump out decent computing power. For heavily threaded work, it might be worth it. For gaming, there are better chips for the money. Anything less stressfull than gaming is definitely not worth it. You don't need 8 cores to check facebook, let alone 4, and there are cheaper and better offerings than the 4100. The situations where I could honestly recommend BD are very very small, not because it can't handle the tasks, but because there are better and/or cheaper alternatives.

When Amd came out with the Athlon back in 2003 - 2004 they had to have drivers to work properly under windows XP,

Microsoft then coded a generic driver in 2006 for Vista that would work for all the CPU's being released with the upcoming Operating System in mind, Vista at the time in 2006 was still in BETA and I can guarantee you are running that driver now the same as I am even though you are running an OS from 2008 / 2009 and onwards,
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Originally Posted by macca_dj;15335982 
You seem to like that word UNINFORMED is that word of the week / weak ?

We are unable to actually speculate what Bulldozer is capable of at the moment because it is a NEW technology Windows 7 has not been coded for it Windows 8 is only partially written for it due to the fact that it is new, unlike Wintel and MicroSoft that hold hands in business and coding with other proprietary software companies,
Amd is unlike IBM and Wintel back in the day,

Can you remember having to download drivers for an Amd CPU unlike Intels and IBM's generically coded into the OS's to get your new Amd CPU to work flawlessly you had to have the driver ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wintel >
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/W/Wintel.html

Some thing new has arrived so please be patient,

Isn't BD a final product already? If they needed more time working on the drivers then they shouldn't have announced it and delayed it to November or something. It's a bad business practice anyways, anyone who does business knows that. All it does is destroy brand image
    
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Originally Posted by LesPaulLover;15333140 
AMD likely gonna go under after this bulldozer travesty.

How do they expect to sell a CPU for 30% higher cost than Intel CPUs that outperform it?

If AMD goes under it will be because servicing their debt will become untenable. AMD wouldn't be able to sell ATI because of what they paid for it and their senior creditors would never allow them to shed the only bright spot in the company. AMD's money is going to depend on how well the llano chips can penetrate the 300-600 dollar pre-built Best Buy/Walmart box market.
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