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Originally Posted by Don Karnage;15325394 
Wouldn't really matter tho 996. People would scoop it up anyway.

HT is disabled in current non-ht chips, not left off entirely, and even if it was, it wouldn't save much of any die space. Extra cores on the other hand need a lot of of extra space, making the chips more expensive to make.

Also, very few people really "scoop up" high end consumer chips anyway, not in the kind of quantities that would compel Intel to spend the time, effort, and money to make an 1155 hex core.

A non-ht ivy derived hex core for 1155 doesn't really make a lot of sense, unless there is also an HT enabled version, and that doesn't make any sense until IB-E (or whatever) on 2011 has 8 or 10 cores.
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Originally Posted by Don Karnage;15325394 
Is there any data out there of how much faster a 6 core with no ht would perform against a 4c/8t processor in m/t apps? 5%? 10%?

I'm sure some benches have been done, but since HT is highly variable in how much of a boost it gives, the comparisons are going to be all over the place, from app to app.

I've seen HT do anything -5% performance to +45%, depending on app/task.
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Originally Posted by Blameless;15325679 
HT is disabled in current non-ht chips, not left off entirely, and even if it was, it wouldn't save much of any die space. Extra cores on the other hand need a lot of of extra space, making the chips more expensive to make.

Also, very few people really "scoop up" high end consumer chips anyway, not in the kind of quantities that would compel Intel to spend the time, effort, and money to make an 1155 hex core.

A non-ht ivy derived hex core for 1155 doesn't really make a lot of sense, unless there is also an HT enabled version, and that doesn't make any sense until IB-E (or whatever) on 2011 has 8 or 10 cores.



I'm sure some benches have been done, but since HT is highly variable in how much of a boost it gives, the comparisons are going to be all over the place, from app to app.

I've seen HT do anything -5% performance to +45%, depending on app/task.

Great info blame and I agree with you about everything. I just want 6 cores on the cheap
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Originally Posted by Oedipus;15324142 
If you go SB-E now, you can go IB-E later.

In theory...

particularly when its likely s1155 will never see anything greater than 4 cores, when its likely s2011 IB-E will bring us sub 100W TDP 6 core and/or 130W TDP 8 core CPUs
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Originally Posted by bojinglebells;15325778 
particularly when its likely s1155 will never see anything greater than 4 cores, when its likely s2011 IB-E will bring us sub 100W TDP 6 core and/or 130W TDP 8 core CPUs

A very very good assumption. Ivy looks amazing but I want more cores.
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Originally Posted by damric;15325147 
Looks like BD stole all of your TDPs.

Ha!
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Originally Posted by BizzareRide;15323282 
Poor Bulldozer...

I bet we'll see 5.5Ghz on air stable with safe TDP.

The only problem is SB has architectural limits on OCs, most SBs struggle to get too far above 5.5 on any cooling iirc, just like how the Athlon64 tended to hit a brick wall at 3-3.2Ghz or the P3 at 1.2Ghz iirc.

That said, Ivy is going to be the chip to get unless AMD fixes a lot of IPC issues with Piledriver.
    
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Originally Posted by Brutuz;15326130 
The only problem is SB has architectural limits on OCs, most SBs struggle to get too far above 5.5 on any cooling iirc, just like how the Athlon64 tended to hit a brick wall at 3-3.2Ghz or the P3 at 1.2Ghz iirc.

That said, Ivy is going to be the chip to get unless AMD fixes a lot of IPC issues with Piledriver.

Main reason sb maxes low is because of the 57 multi. Thankfully ib will have a 63 multi limit along with the return of Bclk overclocking. 3500K should easily do 5.2-5.5 on air
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What kind of performance improvement are we looking at here?
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