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i7-3700K for me.

If this trend continues, I'll never be buying an "Extreme" enthusiast-type chip. I don't see a need, as a 90% gamer 10% productivity (student) guy.
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Originally Posted by Brutuz;15328763 
The main thing is that most hit their architectural limit around there, I think that's why Intel chose x57 instead of say, x60.

This is not entirely true. If it were an architectural limit then Sandy Bridge-E wouldn't be shipping with a 166Mhz bclk and a 57x multiplier(theoretically 9.5Ghz). This alludes to Sandy Bridge having a multiplier limitation which having a higher bclk will remedy.

If it were possible to over clock Sandy Bridge-M via bclk and multiplier and still hit a cold bug then I will concede that it's an architectural limit. Since there's only one factor that we know of that's preventing higher over clocks and that SBE is shipping with a significantly higher bclk, then I believe it's safe to conclude that Sandy Bridge-M was bclk limited.

If not, then how is Intel getting 166Mhz clock generator as opposed to 105Mhz?
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i7-3700K for me.

Why?

I've seen numerous SB owners, especially folks with 2600ks already.. why on earth would you lay down another 300 bucks for what amounts to identical performance? It's a die shrink - there aren't going to be any great leaps in CPU computing power. The IGP is supposed to be greatly improved, but for a gamer/student - it boggles my mind why you'd even consider it.
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Originally Posted by pursuinginsanity;15331528 
Why?

I've seen numerous SB owners, especially folks with 2600ks already.. why on earth would you lay down another 300 bucks for what amounts to identical performance? It's a die shrink - there aren't going to be any great leaps in CPU computing power. The IGP is supposed to be greatly improved, but for a gamer/student - it boggles my mind why you'd even consider it.

Yea I always laugh at the poeple that go into SB-E or IB(E) threads saying its not worth it when they have SB chips already, especially those with budgets. Clearly these chips are not for you, but thank you for reassuring us.
    
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pursuinginsanity;15331528 
Why?

I've seen numerous SB owners, especially folks with 2600ks already.. why on earth would you lay down another 300 bucks for what amounts to identical performance? It's a die shrink - there aren't going to be any great leaps in CPU computing power. The IGP is supposed to be greatly improved, but for a gamer/student - it boggles my mind why you'd even consider it.

Same reason why people upgraded from Phenom II to Bulldozer wink.gif

Ivy Bridge is more than a simple die shrink though. Intel labels it as a "tick+" instead of the typical "tick" in their tick-tock cycles. 10-15% higher IPC and lower power consumption at the same time, plus a doubling of iGPU performance and better overclocking as well. I could see an upgrade to the 3700K making sense if you managed to sell the 2600K and get a decent price for it.
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Originally Posted by pursuinginsanity;15331528 
Why?

I've seen numerous SB owners, especially folks with 2600ks already.. why on earth would you lay down another 300 bucks for what amounts to identical performance? It's a die shrink - there aren't going to be any great leaps in CPU computing power. The IGP is supposed to be greatly improved, but for a gamer/student - it boggles my mind why you'd even consider it.

I love building computers, so any time I build a new one it needs to be an improvement on my current box.

When I build an IB box it will become my sig rig and I'll dedicate my current sig rig to 24X7 folding.
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Originally Posted by pursuinginsanity;15331528 
Why?

I've seen numerous SB owners, especially folks with 2600ks already.. why on earth would you lay down another 300 bucks for what amounts to identical performance? It's a die shrink - there aren't going to be any great leaps in CPU computing power. The IGP is supposed to be greatly improved, but for a gamer/student - it boggles my mind why you'd even consider it.
The CPU performance increase is supposedly going to be 10-20% (Anand said 10, Intel said 20 a few months ago). So not identical.

You're also looking at tri-gate transistors on a 22nm fabrication process... so there's potentially a better overclocking outlook.

Also, some people just have that kind of money.
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Can't wait till one day I can buy an I7 NTV edition (near threshold voltage) and have it using the ambient light of the room using any number of peripheral devices with energy scavenging photovoltaics on. At minimum id say a free idle is possible as they already did a p4 single core non ht with a PV cell the size of a postage stamp.

Really tho back on topic im not sure about the 3700K, yes it looks great but I kinda really want an 8 core 16 thread cpu after my 2600K so i'm a little more interested in when I can get that but as a mid high product like the 2600K was. I have a feeling that's not going to be till skylake in 2014 tho.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 996gt2;15331689 
Same reason why people upgraded from Phenom II to Bulldozer wink.gif

Ivy Bridge is more than a simple die shrink though. Intel labels it as a "tick+" instead of the typical "tick" in their tick-tock cycles. 10-15% higher IPC and lower power consumption at the same time, plus a doubling of iGPU performance and better overclocking as well. I could see an upgrade to the 3700K making sense if you managed to sell the 2600K and get a decent price for it.

First off, wasn't aware anyone had downgraded to a BD yet. Rofl. kookoo.gif

Second, Intel can claim "10-20%" all they want - when we went from Conroe to Wofldale? We got 3%. When we went from Nehalem to Westmere? About the same (minus the cores tongue.gif )

I'm betting you'll see similar results with IVB. I may be wrong.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mad0314;15331643 
Yea I always laugh at the poeple that go into SB-E or IB(E) threads saying its not worth it when they have SB chips already, especially those with budgets. Clearly these chips are not for you, but thank you for reassuring us.

Uh, ok? You missed the point I do believe. Or perhaps I've misunderstood your wording.

It has nothing to do with what these chips mean to me.. more me suggesting you spending that extra money in some place you'll see an actual improvement. Like an SSD. Or a better GPU. 300 bucks for a new CPU every year? Just for playing games? No. It's not the early 2000s any more. Tech isn't advancing that quickly.
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Originally Posted by Homeles;15331699 
The CPU performance increase is supposedly going to be 10-20% (Anand said 10, Intel said 20 a few months ago). So not identical.

You're also looking at tri-gate transistors on a 22nm fabrication process... so there's potentially a better overclocking outlook.

Also, some people just have that kind of money.

Again. Intel can claim all they want, but it's not happening. The max multi is going to go up ever so slightly (believe they quoted x63) but seriously. Upgrading every single time a new CPU is released? That's ridiculous unless it's your meal ticket, and you can save significant amounts of time/money.

You won't "feel" a difference. It's always better to wait 2-3 generations, then you'll see real improvement. It's not like current SB CPUs are slow/bottlenecking current software. *Especially* games.
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When I build an IB box it will become my sig rig and I'll dedicate my current sig rig to 24X7 folding.

At least you have a noble cause. I just lost a very good family friend yesterday to terminal illness. Good on you, sir. Wish you and your's all the best.
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Quote:
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Also, some people just have that kind of money.

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